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Offline Turkeyfeather

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43 Spanish Brass
« on: May 01, 2007, 05:10:54 AM »
Hey Shooters,

I know this is an old topic for many but new to me. I recently acquired an old Remington Rolling Block in 43 Spanish. The metal is in good condition so I would like to shoot it to see if the barrel is worth keeping. I don't know of 43 Spanish brass being available so I am assuming this is a conversion issue. I have read some brief articles about possibly taking 348 Winchester brass and making the conversion but I am looking for some actual experience to guide me on this. Does anyone have some thoughts on this?

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Re: 43 Spanish Brass
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2007, 03:20:50 PM »
43 Spanish is still available ,just stay away from the Australian crap .There was some on eBay not long ago but i think the guy stopped the auction because no one bid on it . Arnie

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Re: 43 Spanish Brass
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2007, 04:44:36 PM »
Brass: try here—

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,5775.htm

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,333.htm
(I believe that this brass is made from reformed .348 Win brass.)

If you don’t have dies, Buffalo Arms also sells them. Lee dies are very economical, but I have no information as to how well they are made. CH-4D makes a good set & I’m more than satisfied w/ my .43 Spanish dies.

Are you sure the rifle is a .43 Spanish? Some of these rifles are presumed to be .43 Spanish when they are not. Is it an Argentine Rolling Block?

You might also want to take a vernier caliper & measures the rim depth of the chamber. When you order the brass, tell them this measurement.

I would also advise you to slug the bore. Some of the rifles have over-size bores. 

Most of the .43 Spanish (inc. the one that I have & one that I foolishly sold) that I’ve seen require the bullet to be seated further out to accommodate loading w/ fouled chambers.
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Re: 43 Spanish Brass
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2007, 10:17:46 AM »
worse yet, there were 4 different 43 Spanish cartridges.  the most common is the 11.15 x 58R which takes the .439 bullet.  I understand the Lee and CH dies are made for this one.  It is not hard to form the brass from the Spanish basic.  It is harder to make it from the 348, although more economical to use 348.    There was also the 43 Reformado, a 454 diameter bore.   (It was an odd bell shaped case, not a typical bottleneck)  then there was the 11x 57R Spanish with a .433 bullet, also used in the New England Militia rolling blo0cks and Peabody rifles.   Ther was also a short carbine cartridge with a .433 bullet, the 11x48R Remington.  (rather rare)


In the 1960's a bunch of Argentine Rollers that had been arsenal refinished were imported to the states along with a great deal of berdan primed black powder ammo.  I still have about 50 rounds of the ammo.  And 2 of the argentine rollers.  Most of the other 43 Spanish rollers have worn bores.  I have never been able to get the annealing quite right.  With black powder and bottle neck cases, it seems they harden again after one or two shots.

Even with the Argentine sights, which are better, but not great, I could shoot two inch groups at 100yds.  With better sights, who knows.     

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Re: 43 Spanish Brass
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2007, 12:37:16 PM »
LongCaribiner: a Fellow Shooter & I tinkered w/ our Argentine RBs for awhile. We were lucky in that both appeared to have been re-barreled prior to storage.

I think to make them shoot 'competitively', some consideration should be given to lightening the trigger & re-stocking it. On mine, the trigger must be 10 pounds & the military full-length stock & barrel bands are problems waiting to surface....
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Re: 43 Spanish Brass
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2007, 11:48:06 AM »
By all means get some Cerrosafe for a chamber cast and slug the bore.