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Offline GRIMJIM

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best oil finish
« on: March 31, 2007, 04:40:21 PM »
I don't know if this has been discussed before but I found it on another forum. I hope the guy who posted it won't be mad at me for sharing. Since he left it for everyone I don't think he'll mind.
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I hate doing wood work and especially stock refinishing, but over a 30 year career and for person use I was forced to do so enough to finally find a GOOD oil finish that looks like a real custom oil finish should look like.

Here's my directions to get a true custom gun oil finish with the "egg shell satin finish" that everyone talks about, but which you almost never actually see:

Do all sanding, staining, and whiskering.

Buy a pint can of Minwax Antique Oil Finish:
http://www.minwax.com/products/speci...ntique-oil.cfm

I have no idea what's in this stuff, but it drys to the absolute HARDEST, waterproof and solvent-proof finish I've ever seen, with the possible exception of an epoxy finish like Remington's "Bowling pin" finish.
This stuff is totally unaffected by lacquer thinner when fully hardened, and unlike tung and linseed oils, on a hot day a sweaty face on the stock won't raise the grain.

Here's how I apply it.
First, do as the directions on the can specify, by applying a thin coat, allow to stand 5 to 10 minutes until it starts to get sticky, then buff off with a clean, lint-free cloth.
An old linen sheet works great.
Let dry 24 hours, then apply again.
I put on 3 coats this way.
This starts to fill the grain, and speeds drying for the later steps.

After three coats as a sealer, apply a thin coat and allow to dry BONE DRY on the surface.
This may take 24 hours or more, and in some cases of really open grain wood, the first may not dry at all.
Using finer steel wool, steel wool the finish off the wood. As you steel wool, the surface coat will turn "muddy" looking so you can see it.
Be careful around proof stamps and sharp edges to not round edges off or thin stamps.

After steel wooling the stock down to bare wood, clean the stock with brushes or compressed air, then apply another coat, allow to dry and steel wool off.
Continue this until the grain of the wood is 100% FULL, and you can see NO open grain.
When held up to a light and sighted along the grain, open grain will look like tiny scratches in the surface.

Usually 4 coats will fill all but the most open grain.
After the last coat is steel wooled off, THOROUGHLY clean the wood.
Then, apply a thin coat and allow to stand for several minutes until it starts to get sticky.
Using several clean cloth pads thoroughly buff the surface until all traces of finish are off.
This is a "color coat" that will give the bare wood more of a color without any build up on the surface.
After buffing, allow the wood to age out and fully harden for 3 to 4 days.

After aging, buy some new burlap at a fabric store, and make a small pad from several layers.
Briskly buff the wood to burnish the surface and bring out the egg shell luster.

The advantages of the Minwax Oil finish are:
It's HARD and incredibly tough.
It's water and solvent proof.
It can be repaired or overhauled by adding more oil and buffing.
Scratches can be filled by coating and steel wooling again.
It's a REAL oil finish that looks like those seen on British double guns and American custom rifles.
It's a life time finish that never has to be done over ever again.
All the finish is IN the wood, not ON it so it looks like an original.

 I am going to try this on a set of custom grips I made for my srh. I'll post pics when it's done.
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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2007, 05:06:25 AM »
Thanks GRIMJIM, I have used Minwax Antique Oil Finish in the past on several items but not to the point that you so excellently described. I have most recently been using a combination of pure Tung Oil and Waterlox Tung Oil on gunstocks for a great finish, especially on cheaper grade stocks made of lesser woods than walnut. I will try your method, it sounds like it does produce a wonderful finish....<><....  :)
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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2007, 08:21:25 AM »
Okay I have eight coats on my grip. So far it looks great but there's still a lot of open grain. The finish really looks good so far. I wandered from the directions slightly as I only had 320 grit paper handy and no steel wool coarser than "o". I also would recommend applying thin coats with a brush, when I applied with a rag it wiped ,most of it back off.

I made the grips out of leopard wood and purple heart. Apparently two of the most open grained woods out there. Oh well I guess I have a few more coats to go.
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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2007, 11:25:44 AM »
When filling pores in wood the idea is to remove the finish from the flat surfaces between coats, only leaving finish in the pores.  When the pores are filled then you can start building up the coat on the whole surface.  I recommend using fine sandpaper or 0000 steel wool and buff off all the finish between the first several coats until pores are filled.  You could have quite a thick finish on the grips if you continue like you described. 
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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2007, 06:48:20 AM »
Don't know if it is the best, but I have always used Tru-Oil. Sand between coats with 0000 steel wool. You can end up with several types of end results.( Gloss, semi, satin or dull ) Depending on what you use for final sanding. ( 0000, rubbing compound, 0000 then wax or 0000 then spray finish ).

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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2007, 12:24:18 PM »
When filling pores in wood the idea is to remove the finish from the flat surfaces between coats, only leaving finish in the pores.  When the pores are filled then you can start building up the coat on the whole surface.  I recommend using fine sandpaper or 0000 steel wool and buff off all the finish between the first several coats until pores are filled.  You could have quite a thick finish on the grips if you continue like you described. 

I should have worded it differently. I have put on finish and sanded it off eight times, not eight coats. The grain is still showing in spots although I can tell it is filling in. I just have a few more applications to go before the finish coat.
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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2007, 08:35:17 PM »
That question is like asking the best brand of PUtruck..  I prefer TruOil applied over a french Oil basecoat. The french oil is applied to the very hot wood. and the surface kept wet with finish as the wood cools.. Wipe it down completely and allow to set for a week or so. Then apply the TruOil and use it to fill the pores. Steel wool (0000) between coats and when the pores are full build the finish and litghly steel wool and wax. The wax will protect and water proof the wood. Should leave a slightly satiny finish that can easily be touched up./
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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2007, 03:21:55 PM »
Okay, I have oiled and sanded this thing about fifteen times and the grain is still wide open. Is there another product I can use to fill the grain? When I polish the grip with a cotton rag the finish looks great, except for the grain.
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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2007, 03:32:36 PM »
Tru oil seems to me to fill up grain the fastest of any finish I have ever used.  I just finished a walnut stock from Gunstocks, Inc. and four coats of truoil and it is smooth as silk.  It was glossy as heck, so I killed the gloss with bronze wool and waxed it, so now it looks just like I like it.
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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2007, 10:07:47 AM »
GRIMJIM - First the directions are a bit misleading.. No oil based varnish or even polyurethane is solvent proof.. and most aren't even water proof(excepting poly). Apply the material with your hand, its easier to get the extremely thin coat you need. Use steel wool to remove the finish on top the wood, which means work the wool across the grain, not with it. If you work it the wrong way the wool will pull the finish out of the pores.. Be sure the finish is completely dry before removing the excess.
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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2007, 02:31:11 PM »
GRIMJIM - First the directions are a bit misleading.. No oil based varnish or even polyurethane is solvent proof.. and most aren't even water proof(excepting poly). Apply the material with your hand, its easier to get the extremely thin coat you need. Use steel wool to remove the finish on top the wood, which means work the wool across the grain, not with it. If you work it the wrong way the wool will pull the finish out of the pores.. Be sure the finish is completely dry before removing the excess.

That makes sense, I have been sanding with the grain. I will try it again over the weekend.
Thanks guys for the responses,
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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2007, 02:48:02 PM »
That grip will be well rubbed!
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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2007, 02:48:08 PM »
Will that procedure work on a laminated stock or would I need to do something different?

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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2007, 05:59:15 PM »
Laminated wood is cut from the log by spinning it against a sharp knife. The log length is the width of the layer and so the grain actually runs front to back or lengthwise of the stock. Of course with the wood impregnated with the adhesive it's all fairly irrelevant! The wood created this way has little in the way of real grain flow. In areas that create problems just go cross ways to the length of the stock.
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Re: best oil finish
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2007, 01:25:36 PM »
The grain is filled. One more coat for color and It's done.
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