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Offline Buckfever

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learning curve on handgun selection
« on: May 23, 2007, 05:16:40 PM »
I posted earlier that I liked the feel of a compact Springfield XD.  I have also learned that safety in operation is a big issue with home defense and my selection.  Also I have no experience with an auto but I do have a snubby 38 special Taurus which the wife has spoken for.  Therefore I am thinking that I will be developing some skills and tendencies with what I select so I really want to get it right the first time.  I held a Sig and it felt nice and stable , a little heavier but that was OK.  The Glock was a little to short for my hand so for now they are on the back burner.  I don't want to buy the most expensive handgun available but would want to get the correct one the first time even if it costs more.  I was originally thinking 9mm because of cost of ammo, and I am 58 so arthritis will be playing a bigger part of my life.  Is this a mistake?  I mean I weight 240lbs and work out on a routine basis.  Is the 40S&W a better caliber for me for the next 20 years?   Also as I get older I may need to use something like a Crimson Trace so that would seem to be a problem with the grip safety on the XD.

I really am open to all suggestions I just want to make a good decision and then concentrate on range time.

Thanks for all your help.  I am sure some X-police and Military might think this is elementary but I will admit to being a rookie here and I value your opinion which I realize you have developed with your and others lives on the line!      Thanks   Buckfever

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Re: learning curve on handgun selection
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2007, 01:05:51 AM »
One way to tell if a particular handgun is going to be more accurate for you before hand is how it fits your hand. One that just doesn't feel right in your hand is not going to be good for you. A handgun that doesn't feel right when you're holding it will never shoot as accurate as you want it to, simply because it doesn't fit your hand comfortably. Pick them up, handle them until you find one that feels right when you're holding it. Now, ask the person behind the counter if you can dry fire it to see how it feels going through the action. What you want to do is find a mirror that you can point it directly at. Line the sights up on the handgun with the sights in the mirror and slowly do the dry fire. Did the sights stay in line while you were doing it or did they move? If they stayed in line and the gun feels good fitting your hand, you have found what maybe be the best for you. If you couldn't keep the sights lined up while doing the dry fire, pick something else and try again. That is a little shortcut that I found out about years ago when looking for a handgun to buy.
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Re: learning curve on handgun selection
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2007, 03:24:47 AM »
If you are looking for a home protection gun feel is very important ! But a home gun is just that , everyone in the home that can ,should be able to use it ! they may have to save you ! so if the wife or child can't rack the slide or clear a jam because the recoil spring is to strong for them then maybe you should select another type .
we use a med. frame revolver , all can shoot it and all know the manual of arms for it ( very important , most of the child related shootings around here have been when someone racks a slide then drops the mag. and thinks the gun is unloaded )
over the years i have shot many types of guns but one i had over looked for a long time was the browning high power , we are trying it now , it fits the hand , it shoots well , its 100% reliable and the one thing that i felt was a weakness is if the mag. is out the gun won't fire ! so if someone drops the mag they can't hurt anyone , this might be good if an unauthorized person gets to it , a good way to store it might be to load it and leave the mag loose or in a different place , or in a struggle , if you are losing control hit the mag. release it might buy you enough time to recover ! all can work the slide ! ,also
another consideration is the carry gun i use the fits same criteria for that since the wife or kid might be with me at a time of trouble . I realize this flys in the face of most men , we all think at a time of need we can take care of our family ! I'm 6-2 almost 300 lbs worked as a plumber/pipe fitter since i was 17 ( over 50 now ) so i guess i don't present a easy target !
that was a comforting feeling for a long time , then you realize you may not know you are being attacked until you realize you have been hit , shot or stabbed at which time help from a wife , kid or buddy might be a big help and if they can use your gun its to your advantage !
A gun is not the answer to home or personal protection , it is just one spoke in the wheel ! but it must be fitted with skill !
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Re: learning curve on handgun selection
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2007, 10:39:34 AM »
at your experince level id suggest you take a basic handgun handling course and a home protection course from a local nra instuctor. You will pick up alot of knowlege and have a chance to handle many differnt guns and get an idea what works for you.
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Re: learning curve on handgun selection
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2007, 01:22:52 PM »
I must have spent two plus years on the same question. Talked to friends, saved my money, handled many handguns, researched on the net, did not take a course but good suggestion. I decided on a revolver then took more time do decide on which one.  Must have went back to the same gun counter two or three dozen times.  Ended up with a Ruger GP 100.  Never regretted the time it took or the decision I made.   Now whats next on the the list  a sp101 a S&W 617 a MKII or MKIII a  buckmark I dundno...

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Re: learning curve on handgun selection
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2007, 03:21:32 PM »
Buckfever.  The Sig is a very good choice, and will prove it's self if you ever need it in a SHTF situation.  I suggest you hook up with someone that owns a .40 (or even the .357 SIg) and see if they will let you fire it,  I think you will find it is not uncomfortable to shoot either caliber.  I am ten years older than you, and have a few health issues myself, but I have never had a problem firing my carry gun which is a Sig P245.

As for the Crimson Trace laser sights, you can't go wrong there, I was opposed to them for years, but after my first set, I was sold, and they make the .45 easier for an old man to handle.   I now have the CT grips on several of my guns.

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Re: learning curve on handgun selection
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2007, 02:38:16 AM »
the local range should be a great place to experience different guns.  most shooters are more than happy to let you try their guns out.  go when there is a shooting event for pistols and talk with people.  also, see what lloyd said above.

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Re: learning curve on handgun selection
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2007, 11:12:23 PM »
another real good suggestion.
the local range should be a great place to experience different guns.  most shooters are more than happy to let you try their guns out.  go when there is a shooting event for pistols and talk with people.  also, see what lloyd said above.
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Re: learning curve on handgun selection
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2007, 03:15:28 AM »
Plenty of good suggestions here, the ones I'd second are taking a self-defense/gun handling course, and shooting as many different guns as you can.  If you take a course, you'll have a chance to ask specific questions, hear the questions others ask (that you might not have thought of) and get different viewpoints on lots of related issues.  Another suggestion is to get a copy of Massad Ayoob"s book, "In The Gravest Extreme", which will tune you into ALL aspects of armed self defense, in a myriad of situations.  He covers the mental, physical, psychological, and legal aspects thoroughly, and I ask that my own Beginning Handgun students read it.  I was a PD rangemaster, and there were several points in the book that I'd either forgotten about, or had never even thought of.  Required Reading!

As for weapons choice, if anyone else in the house may have to learn/use it, I'd recommend a double action revolver, simple is good in high-stress situations.  It's also mechanically simpler, and doesn't have those things on the sides that all look alike and stick out funny.  Not many people find the need to reload in a home defense scenario, so that's less of a concern.  (Speedloaders are STILL a good idea, however!)  But if the other people around you are relatively skilled and clearheaded, an auto can be a good choice as well.  Good training is important, because in stressful situations, the brain tends to freeze, and you follow whatever training you have. 

Whatever you do, don't  buy a gun, shoot a box of ammo thru it, and throw it in a drawer, good pistol skills require CONSTANT practice.  I'm over fifty, have been shooting for three decades, and if I don't get to the range on a regular basis, I get rusty as a barn door.  My 15-year old son just smoked me on bowling pins last week, and not just once, I was shooting a gun I rarely practice with.  It DOES make a huge difference.

I don't often say this, but some folks have good heads and motor skills and live in condition yellow all the time.  Others have no business around guns.  Most are somewhere in between.  My point is, if you're not sure, ask, and if the answer doesn't sound right, keep asking until you get the feedback you're looking for.  There are a lot of gray areas, and as soon as you get one question answered, another question will come to you.  Listen, learn, and practice!  It's not rocket science, but doing it wrong can get you or someone else killed.  Hope this helps.

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Re: learning curve on handgun selection
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2007, 03:22:22 PM »
I think the Sig is the most comfortable automatic pistol on the market, and if I were buying one, that would sure be tempting.

However, since you are familiar with revolvers, I wouldn't count them out.

A nice medium frame revolver, like a S&W K or L frame, has a great grip that doesn't have to have a magazine running through the middle of it.

Plus, with a .357 you have the option of three power loads depending on your physical abilities: magnum, .38+P, or .38 Spl.

Easy to operate (so easy your wife could do it since she shoots the Taurus), no jams, and if it ever goes click instead of bang, just pull the trigger again.

I'd go with a S&W 686 with either the 2.5" or 3" barrel. The Ruger SP101, or GP100 are great choices, too.
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Re: learning curve on handgun selection
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2007, 04:38:55 AM »
Make sure you give the CZ75 a try before you buy anything. In my opinion its the best bargain in handguns out there.

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Re: learning curve on handgun selection
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2007, 10:23:49 AM »
If you check out CZ-75's , check out browning high power !
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