Author Topic: Here I go again. (Read 1448 times)

DalesCarpentry · « **on:** May 31, 2007, 10:00:30 AM »

I did some research this time and I think the 223WSSM may be doable in the Handi Rifle. If I remember right the max pressure in the Handi is 55,000 psi this comes in around that. Here is a link.http://www.wwpowder.com/data/rifle/223wssm.php I also looked at the thread that Myarmor started but did not see it listed. I don't know if that was an over site or not. Here is a link to it. http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,91035.30.html If it can't be done that is fine and I am not trying to start anything. Let me know what you guys think. If it is doable what would the doner barrel be. Thanks Dale

myarmor · « **Reply #1 on:** May 31, 2007, 10:14:09 AM »

When I checked with Wayne he did say this:

"Aaron,

All of your possibilities are doable, however you should not chamber short magnums and ultra magnums as pressure is to high for NEF. I have attached a list of reamers that I am currently chambering. Many of your chamber selections are oddballs and we would have to purchase or rent a reamer to do them. This cost would be born by the customer

Wayne York, Gunmaker"

223 WSM is a short mag...

-Aaron

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #2 on:** May 31, 2007, 10:19:05 AM »

Thanks Myarmor. That answers that.

I thought that would be a really cool round.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** May 31, 2007, 10:41:36 AM »

It's not just the pressure that's the problem, it's the case head thrust or more commonly called, bolt thrust and pressure. All of the short mags have huge case heads, the 223 WSSM is .555" also, same as the 300WSM. You can't buy an Encore barrel in any of the short mags, if TC or any of the aftermarket barrel makers won't chamber short mags for the Encore which is a stronger action than an H&R, don't expect it to work in a Handi. $:-\$

Tim

http://www.bullberry.com/message.html

moxgrove · « **Reply #4 on:** May 31, 2007, 10:55:13 AM »

the 22-250 does pretty darn well

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 31, 2007, 11:27:14 AM »

Quote from: myarmor on May 31, 2007, 10:14:09 AM

When I checked with Wayne he did say this:

"Aaron,

All of your possibilities are doable, however you should not chamber short magnums and ultra magnums as pressure is to high for NEF. I have attached a list of reamers that I am currently chambering. Many of your chamber selections are oddballs and we would have to purchase or rent a reamer to do them. This cost would be born by the customer

Wayne York, Gunmaker"

223 WSM is a short mag...

-Aaron

Aaron

If you have a chance , would you either PM or e-mail me ( hammer2000head@yahoo.com ) the list of chambers that Wayne has , time to start thinking about a new project .

stimpy

handirifle · « **Reply #6 on:** May 31, 2007, 11:48:40 AM »

Would the 220 Swift clean up the 223 chamber? I don't know the pressures of the swift, but it seems like they were around 55K last I heard.

But then, as was said the 22-250 is no slouch either.

RugerNo3 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 31, 2007, 11:57:55 AM »

The Swift and the 225 Win are semi-rimmed rounds. This would simplify extraction on the Handi and help with the bolt thrust issue.
The 22-243 wildcat and the 22-6mm Rem wildcat would work, but the case capacity and low barrel life make these impractical, unless the sky is the limit or someone has deep pockets.

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 31, 2007, 12:16:02 PM »

handirifle

Ya the 220 swift will work at cleaning up the chamber of the 223 . GregP42 had Wayne do one for him about the same time he did my 218 Bee .

stimpy

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #9 on:** May 31, 2007, 01:23:59 PM »

Stimpy here is the list of do ables.Other possibilites so far:
-338-06 AS
-338-06
-338 Federal
-375 Whelen
-357 Max
-32 H&R
-7mmJRS
-270JRS
-270 Redding
-6.5-06
-260
-6.5x55
-6.5 TCU
-7x57mm
-257
-6x47
-17 Rem
-22 Cheetah
-222 Rem
-225 Win
-41 Mag
-414 SuperMag
-405 Win
-44 SuperMag
-45-90
-45-100
-45-110
-45-120
-32-20
-35 Rem
-500 Martin
-303 British
-7.62x54 Russian
-8x64
-220 Swift
-219
-25-35

myarmor · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2007, 01:28:46 PM »

I'd be happy to Rich, but that post was back in May of last year, and I don't have it any more $:-\$ I should have filed it, but I guess that one slipped by.
I am sure he would send a list of what you need. He is pretty quick to answer I have found.
He can do all those, but I am pretty sure he doesn't have all those on hand.

joshco84 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2007, 05:43:34 PM »

boy that 17 rem is tempting. I have always wanted one, but would rather have it in a bolt gun i think. But now that i think about it i have a 204 in a handi, why not a 17 rem?? what a conundrum.

josh

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #12 on:** June 01, 2007, 02:12:15 PM »

This is just my opion but I really don't see anything that the 17 Rem brings to the table that the 204 dose not do better. I like the idea of the 17 HMR though for the reason that you can shoot it much cheaper than the 204.

joshco84 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 01, 2007, 05:37:25 PM »

yeah you just get a touch more velocity but that is about it. just have always wanted the rem is all.

josh

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2007, 05:54:38 PM »

Besides that I think the 17 Rem ammo is crazy in price. It would cost you more to shoot it than the 204. If you reload that might make a differnce.

joshco84 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 10, 2007, 03:45:53 AM »

Yes i do reload, and have all the odd stuff to do the 204 so it wouldnt be bad

josh

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #16 on:** June 10, 2007, 06:42:47 AM »

if you want a hot 223 how about 22 cheeta a 308 case necked down to a 223 ?

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #17 on:** June 10, 2007, 10:44:28 AM »

Wow that 308 necked down to a 223 I bet would be blistering hot.

I like the sounds of that. I wonder what the ballistics would be? I have never heard of such a round.

I wonder if that would work in a Handi.

I see it listed above so I guesse it really might work in the Handi. Does any have any info on this round. Would I use a 223 24'' bull barrel as a doner barrel. Boy this sounds like fun. Thanks alot shootall I may have found a project.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #18 on:** June 10, 2007, 11:04:50 AM »

It's been done before.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,88572.msg535289.html#msg535289

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #19 on:** June 10, 2007, 11:06:09 AM »

Wow $382.00 just for the case forming dies.

wtroger · « **Reply #20 on:** June 10, 2007, 01:35:51 PM »

I shoot a 243 Winchester with the 58 grain Hornady v-max bullet out of a Remington 788 18 inch barrel and get 4000 fps so why bother with the exotic 24/6mm calibers. I have a ultra frame and believe I will get a 243 barrel so my grandson can shoot it. We can varmint with it or deer hunt. I also think I will get a 7mm-08 barrel probably camber it on out to 7mm mauser since I already have brass dies bullets.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #21 on:** June 10, 2007, 01:42:03 PM »

A 7mm-08 chamber is too big at the shoulder to be cut to 7x57, a 7x57AI would probably work tho.

Tim

moxgrove · « **Reply #22 on:** June 10, 2007, 02:06:40 PM »

Check out the 7mm STE. Basically a rimmed 7-08 imp.

Mitch in MI · « **Reply #23 on:** June 10, 2007, 04:36:59 PM »

Remember Deadeye's 307Win Handi? Seems like you could cut a rim on a 7mm-08 chamber and use 307 brass.
If you want 7x57 or 7x64, just watch eBay and the classifieds here until a factory 24" barrel or gun comes up for sale. They made them up until 2001 or 2002.
On the hot 22 issue, how about a 22-30-30 or .225Win if you want a rim, or 222 Rem Mag? (although a factory 24" 22-250 ultra sounds easier)
When I first started looking at H&R/NEF, I thought about buying a hornet and rechambering it to 22PPC or 22BR, but decided that was pointless.