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qustion on twist
« on: July 03, 2007, 01:37:41 PM »
I'm thinking about getting a barrel made with 1&11 twist in a 308 winchester . I have a tikka in 300win with the same twist I looked on the web thats the only  two caliber in 308 that have a 1&11 twist. I don't reload would 1&11 be a mistake in a single shot? I shoot my 300 in 150 or 180 both get moa. Or should I get a 1&10 standard twist thanks.

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Re: qustion on twist
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2007, 03:41:49 AM »
An 11 twist works for your 300 due to the added velocity.  In a 308 the lighter bullets (150) would probably stabilize with the 11 twist but the heavier stuff may not.  I'd go with a 10 twist for the 308 it will stabalize everything from a 110 to a 180 at 308 velocities.

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Re: qustion on twist
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2007, 01:38:53 PM »
Definitely go with the 1:10 twist.

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Re: qustion on twist
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2007, 12:35:06 PM »
Seriously, this is splitting hairs to a ridiculous degree.  The .300 Savage got by with a 12" twist for over 80 years shooting 180-grain bullets at lower velocities.  Go to Berger Bullets website and see that they recommend a 11" twist for a 210-grain pointed VLD bullet!  You will never notice a difference - either way - between a 10" and 11" twist in a .308.    ::)


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Re: qustion on twist
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2007, 01:41:04 PM »
Beretta bin making gun for 500 hundred years on the tikka web sight it show 1-11 in 308 & 300 winchester . Not sure but something to thing about. :)

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2007, 06:09:56 AM »
The original big .30 was the .30/'03 Springfield and to get the smokeless of the day (1903) to burn they needed a 220 grain round nosed bullet. (Germans were using that .318 bullet at 256 grains I think). Then they improved the powders (and US got the info somehow) and they redesigned... the .30/'06! (Germans went with a .323 bullet and 196 grains I think.)  Original twist was for a 220 grain round nose and no one bothered to worry about it since a number of guns were already in use and shot the new 170 grain pointed bullet (boat tailed too???) fine.

Fast twist uses up energy and slower twists have been turned to to get more velocity. The original .250/3000 is case in point. Savage chose 1 in 14 to help get the 3000 feet per second that they were using to "sell" the gun...(With an 87 grain bullet, and there have been no end of complaints that it would only shoot 100 grain round noses accurately...)  Later, much later, changed to 1 in 10. .300 Savage is another. .308 is another still. 1 in 12 from the start ... Limited to 200 grain bullets. If 200 grains of bullet is not enough, is .308 enough gun?

Harvey Donaldson wrote of a time when the target boys figured out that the 1 in 11 gave the .308 just a trifle more reliable accuracy and that was a big fad. I think they worked with 1 in 13 too for a time, but it didn't do so well with the 190 grain bullets. Or so I read in his columns.  And, if you search, you can find some .308 rifles, many calibers, twisted 1 in 9... Go figure.

So it is your bucks. in 1in 10 is the common standard. Do you lose much going 1 in 11? No. Might you get a trifle more velocity? Yes. Might you lose out on using 250 grain bullets in Africa? Yes. Your bucks, you call... enjoy...

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Re: qustion on twist
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2007, 03:05:18 PM »
Bullet length  determines the optimum twist rate.  And different twist rates make almost no difference in velocity.  Bill Davis did the calculations for American Rifleman years ago, and the difference between a 10" twist and no twist (but with  rifling) was on the order of 0.5% more energy.  In a .30-06 that's about 15 fps going to no twist.  Any velocity difference between 10" and 11" twists would be impossible to detect.  And for normal hunting bullets, any accuracy differences would likewise be impossible to detect.  For abnormally  long bullets, different twist rates can make a difference in accuracy.

Actually, the original 7.9x57J load was with a 226-grain round nosed .318" bullet.  In 1905 they switched to the 7.9x57JS cartridge with a 154-grain pointed .323" bullet. I'll leave it to the histoirans to decide if it was a case of the US copying Imperial Germany - or a case of parallel development...


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