Rem 700 muzzleloader?

[huntswithdogs]

I asked about this in the Remington section but figured I'd ask here also. Any good, bad or uglyness about one of these? I have a guy that I work with that says he would let one go cheap. He's only fired it about 10 times and doesn't let his guns get dirty. I don't think I'd be buying rusted up gun.
Any ideas on a fair price?

Thanks in advance,
HWD

[mhwwlmc]

I have set up a few of them & use one as my main hunting musket. They are very accurate rifles. The only down side with them is the cleanup procedure & they are front end heavy.

Before you buy it, take the Bolt apart & check it for rust & corrosion. Most people are not aware that the Bolt MUST be taken apart & cleaned every time you fire this rifle. It doesn't matter if it is blue or stainless, the bolt assembly will rust up if it isn't cleaned & lubed. The easiest way to take the bolt apart is remove the hex bolt & get it out from the action. Push the end of the bolt down against a piece of wood (the end that snaps against a cap), turn the other end out from the bolt assembly. Usually the spring & the rod are rusted up if it hasn't been cleaned. If it is rusty or corroded, I have been able to clean up the spring & rod up on a wire wheel. If it is real bad, you might have to replace the spring.

Is it blue or stainless?
Camo or black stocks?
What caliber?

[SDS-GEN]

I have one that is blue/synthetic.  I really like this in-line, I agree with what mhwwlmc said except I don't find it front heavy, it is actually a few inches shorter than my other MLs and fits me fine.  It is a pain in the butt to clean, it is also accurate and reliable.  I upgraded to a 209 ignition because the lock time with a cap was noticable.  As far as price, see what auctionarms, gunbroker or the other web sites are selling them for.

[Biff Mayhem]

They are accurate, but exhibit above-average blow-back with 209 ignition. Make sure the action is rust-free before purchasing it. Only way to find that out - is by dis-assembly of the action. If the owner does not cooperate about the action inspection, then pass on this purchase.

[SDS-GEN]

Hey Biff, does the added blow-back have to do with the type of nipple used with the 209 primer?  I never had any problems or noticeable blow-back with mine, however a friend has one with a vented nipple.  It has slots cut all the way around it and vents much of the ignition out around the nipple instead of into the powder charge.  His was so bad that it wouldn't reliably ignite 777 pellets.  The nipple on mine is solid and I have never had any ignition/lock time problems.

[SDS-GEN]

Just stopped by the local gun shop, they have one that is stainless/synthetic in good shape with scope bases in 54 cal for $250.

[alleyyooper]

I have two of the Remington 700 Ml's. One is a 54cal. other is a 50 cal. Like others have said the bolt needs to be cleaned after each use. Best way to take the bolt down is with a Remington bolt take down tool. I bout mine at Gander Mountian for $10.00 with a bottle of cleaner, brush and a wipe down colth.



The 54 likes 100gr. T7 and a mmp 54cal purple sabot and 50cal Speer Gold Dot bullet.


You need to swab after the second shot or groups turn ugly. But with the swabing you can get 4 shotgroups like this.




Al

[alleyyooper]

  Did I forget to mention the trigger is adjustable. My  50 cal likes 80gr. T7 with a MMP green sabot and Horniday HP XTP 240gr. bullets.


This one still uses the #11 cap rather than the 209 that the 54 uses. Remington 209 adpters are not as good as the Canadian one sold thru Cabelas, The Remington one allows more blow back.
This one shoots great groups also but swabing after every second shot is a must for decent groups.



Al

[AndyHass]

IMHO $250 is over-priced.  There are many other accurate guns out there with newer designs lacking the blowback and cleaning issues that can be had, new or used, for about that.

I am not bashing those of you who love your 700MLs but at a high level there is a reason they never caught on well.

[alleyyooper]

Yes you can spend twice as much money for a newer design. For that extra moey you get aN EXTRA TIGHT BORE TRIGGER GUARD AND A TRIGGER TOE SHARP ENOUGH TO CUT YOU.
and that is one of the most  popular modern design muzzle loaders on the market today.

Ya, you get to spend extra time cleaning the 700. it will shoot about any thing you stuff down the bore acrite.
And the $250.00 you pay for it today you can get for it next year and the year after that too.


  Al

[SDS-GEN]

Slow down fellas, that was just the price on the tag at the gun shop, I don't know if it was a good price or not.  And since I'm not looking for another in-line right now I didn't pursue a lower price.  I just posted the price as a reference.

[mhwwlmc]

How does that Cabela's 209 Primer Adapter work for you guys?
How does it work for loading & unloading the Primer?

[SDS-GEN]

I have the Cabela's 209 kit on mine, the one made in Canada, Quebec I think.  It works great never had a hang fire or misfire with it.  I shoot 777 powder.  Getting the shot primer out isn't a problem for me, the kit does come with a tool to pop the primer out.

[huntswithdogs]

I've seen more than one comment on the "blow back" on  these guns. I'm a lefty. Would I be getting hit in the face with gases and it of primer?  I don't shoot side hammers anym ore for this same reason. It's starting to sound like I should just buy one of the break open kinds and forget this one.

HWD

[SDS-GEN]

The "weather shroud" covers the open space between the primer and the bolt and stops gas from blowing out.  The weather shroud is just a steel tube that is removable, I always leave mine in so I know where it is when hunting season comes around.

[black powder]

i had one and it was a good shooter ..but the blow back was horrible the bottom of my scope was burnt ..cleaning the bolt-action is a pain in the butt ...my advice get a good BREAK OPEN ..i also used the .209 primer and u are not supposed to use the weather shroud with the 209 primer..sometimes the primers are hard to remove and takes a bit of skill and i am not a brain surgeon .but like i said it's a good shooter ...

[AndyHass]

Yes you can spend twice as much money for a newer design. For that extra moey you get aN EXTRA TIGHT BORE TRIGGER GUARD AND A TRIGGER TOE SHARP ENOUGH TO CUT YOU.
and that is one of the most  popular modern design muzzle loaders on the market today.

Ya, you get to spend extra time cleaning the 700. it will shoot about any thing you stuff down the bore acrite.
And the $250.00 you pay for it today you can get for it next year and the year after that too.


  Al

I think you need to READ.  I said about THAT price, not twice as much.  A new Omega Z5 is $250 and an Optima is cheaper.  You may have a personal axe to grind but that does not justify twisting what I said.  These guns aren't popular because people are stupid...bolt action muzzleloaders have faded because people (like myself, I USED to own one) got tired of spending half an hour disassembling and cleaning the bolt mechanism every time it was shot.

Maybe you got a bad one, but I have no sharp parts on my omegas, I'm smart enough not to put my finger on the trigger until after it's cocked and back far enough for my finger anyways, and it shoots sub-MOA out past 300 yards.  700s can be accurate but I've yet to find someone who said they cleaned up nice and quick.  Why put up with that when you can get a newer one for the SAME money that is just as accurate and easier to clean? 

As for resale value, I have not seen decent returns on any of the bolt-type guns lately.  Not around here anyways.

[simonkenton]

Get a Savage. You won't have to clean it every time you shoot it.

[ottawa rogue]

if you are considering a bolt action type gun, you can get a good deal on Knights through simmons, i'm thoughly happy with mine
http://www.simmonssportinggoods.com/detail.asp?query=72718961376