Author Topic: I need info on Canadian Firearm Restriction? (Read 2608 times)

teddy12b · « **on:** June 11, 2007, 04:52:45 AM »

I'm going to be going to Ontario this August to go hunting and I would like to know a little more than what I do now about their firearm restrictions.

I'm not concerned with a lever action 30-30 or a bolt action 30-06 getting over the border, but I don't know what they think of a thumbhole stock. I have a thumbhole stock on my encore 30-06 and I'd rather not take it off if I don't need to. I know that handguns are a no-no up there but that's all I know and I'd like to know a little more.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #1 on:** June 11, 2007, 05:20:39 AM »

Try www.cfc-CaFc .qcca this is the site for imfo and forms
you will have to complete a CAFC 909 EF form in triplicate , you will have to sign at the check station !
Read all imfo on the site !
you and your guns must be clean , can't enter with a gun if you are a felon by their law IE. a dui in canada is a felony !
It all depends on who is at the counter when you enter as to how much effort they put in to making your day fun !
if you want to get your guns back into the USA with little problem , before you go take then to a US customs office and get a form the have filled out and stamped that proves you had them before you left the USA , they issue the form but keep no copy ! so don't loose it !

thxmrgarand · « **Reply #2 on:** June 11, 2007, 05:37:07 AM »

There are also restrictions on certain types of bullets and on the quantity of ammunition you bring. As is always the case, the restrictions and the amount of trouble an American encounters varies by border crossing. I was given a little trouble last year because of an NRA bumper sticker on my truck. In any event, you will have to surrender the serial number on any firearm you want to legally take into Canada. I refuse to do that and stopped trapshooting in Canada rather than register any of my guns in Canada.

teddy12b · « **Reply #3 on:** June 11, 2007, 07:18:55 AM »

Your link didn't work when I clicked on it. I googled it and came up with this one.

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/default_e.asp

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #4 on:** June 11, 2007, 07:30:44 AM »

I hope it gave you the information you needed !
The bumper sticker thing is real , also i was asked how many hand guns i had !
a good friend , gunsmith went fishing and had his vehicle searched when they found out his occupation !
good luck !

chopper charlie · « **Reply #5 on:** June 11, 2007, 05:30:47 PM »

As a Canadian I can tell you it is ridiculous and difficult. Like others have said it does depend on the idiot at the border crossing, however, if you follow the guidelines you will get in alright. The guidelines are available from the Cdn. Gov't. Having said this it is just as ridiculous trying to get into the U.S. I have tried many times and even been turned back and my trip was ruined. In fact, the U.S. Gov't is so paranoid, they won't even let guns be shipped from the states to buyers in Canada. It seems we are all terrorists and they do everything possible to prevent Canadians from acquiring guns. Before you Americans start screaming foul, just call any of the American gun mfrs. and ask them. Call Thompson Center and ask them who is causing the problems when they want to ship to Canada. It is not the Cdn. Gov't. but your own. I own T/C's and haven't been able to get guns or barrels for years and T/C has told me straight up where the problem is. Try ordering even a stock from Cabelas and see what happens!
Yes, thumbhole stocks are allowed here, I own many.
I fought the Cdn Govt. with all my energy, in fact, was one of the organizers for the march on Parliament Hill, but politicians being what they are, and Police Chiefs being what they are, all the noise fell on deaf ears.
Sadly, the U.S. does have some right to worry about issues like this with the destruction they suffered on 9/11. I just can't see the logic about Canadians being the enemy. Having said that, Canadians haven't been attacked and we , the Govt. that is, are just as paranoid.
The worst part is that this gun issue is causing infighting between two countries ( gun owners and hunters that is ) when all we really do is share the same passion for guns and hunting. I'm not sure how, but we need to put our energies together and fight this garbage!
If you have trouble contact me and I will do whatever is necessary to help. I own a hunt camp up here and some of my members are Americans. They have things sorted out and don't usually have trouble anymore, although they originally did. if necessary I can provide you with whatever info you need.
In a nutshell, handguns are a no-no, any caliber rifle is o.k but limited to holding 5 rounds, .22's can hold as many as you want. Shotguns are limited to 3 shells for migratory game along with no lead shot. Unlimited rounds, lead o.k. for upland game.
Hope this helps
Good hunting.

chopper charlie · « **Reply #6 on:** June 11, 2007, 05:43:03 PM »

P.S. to my earlier post. Let me know what part of Ontario, since I live in The Barry's Bay area( next to Algonquin Park) and will do whatever is necessary to ensure you get here. We have great bear hunting here, moose and deer as well. I am not one to put up with crap from my gov't. and will work tirelessly to ensure you have a good trip. I'll monitor this site daily, I'm retired. Any problems, we'll solve them. Hunters sticking together for a good time, not a hard time.
Same goes for any other hunters coming from the U.S to Ontario. Any problems or need help, advice, etc. contact me. Be more than happy to help!!
Cheers

teddy12b · « **Reply #7 on:** June 12, 2007, 03:10:52 AM »

Yesterday I called the Canadian Customs at the point we are going to be crossing. The guy I talked to was extreamly friendly and just told me to have everything written down (make, model, serial #, etc.) and when I got to the border I could fill out the paperwork and it wouldn't be any big deal. I asked him about how many rounds per gun I could bring and he asked how many I was thinking about. Just picking a number I said 100 rounds per gun in case we go target shooting too, and he said that wouldn't be any problem. I asked about the thumbhole stock and he gave me another number to call and told me to ask them.

Overall the guy was very polite and positive. He said that after they changed the rules about 5 years ago that it has made things pretty easy. I'm really looking forward to it now.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #8 on:** June 12, 2007, 04:05:20 AM »

with a shot gun you can enter with 250 rounds sometimes the let 300 go !
all over that they ask the cost and tax you on all over 250 !
i entered once with 1800 ( buddy's flew i drove with dogs and ammo ) cost $ 20.00 more .
I would have paperwork filled out before you arrive , fill out one and copy twice , funny thing they will trash 2 anyway !
The part about re entering the US , they have checked my boat twice and truck once , but since 9/11 i say good if my trip being held up an hour or so helps protect us so be it ! and Canada has the same right ! But if you have a nra sticker or such and get the third degree that just ain't right going north or south !

chopper charlie · « **Reply #9 on:** June 12, 2007, 04:46:36 AM »

Shootall,
Don't feel bad about your $20.00. As a Canadian, when I order something from the states, first of all I have to pay exchange because my dollar is like a Mexican peso. Then my government, not yours, charges me both provincial sales tax ( 8% ), then Federal Sales tax ( 7%), then duty, that can vary, and then they charge me a handling fee . It is not uncommon that by the time I receive something from the U.S., the price has almost doubled. I can understand some of this if the product was available in Canada; they would want to encourage buying Canadian. The fact of the matter is that this stuff isn't available in Canada so I have to go stateside.
Ain't government great!
Let me make you feel even better. Two years ago, I caught a burglar breaking into my house at 1:30 a.m.. He was Canada's longest serving armed bank robber (35 years in jail) He resisted so he got beat bad. The incident was published in most all the newspapers in Canada and I was quoted as saying" next time I
will go out armed, hoping for the best but prepared for the worst". One day later the police showed up at my door wanting to arrest me for threatening the life of someone! Regrettably, I had to throw them off my property and tell them never to come back on my property without an arrest warrant. They haven't been back.
At least in the U.S., you have the right to protect yourself, in most places anyway. New York City and San Fran, perhaps being the exception. That is why I say we have to stop badmouthing each other, and band together to expend our energies fighting the anti's.
Let's just hope it gets better before we have no guns to hunt with!!
Cheers

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #10 on:** June 12, 2007, 04:50:59 AM »

I didn't feel bad , it was a deal !

Rick Teal · « **Reply #11 on:** June 12, 2007, 06:49:43 PM »

Actually, our magazine restrictions are meant to apply only to autoloaders. You could have a 100 round clip on a bolt action if you were so inclined. Clips designed for other actions that could be used in existing autoloaders are also restricted to 5 rounds. The only autoloader that doesn't have a restriction is that fine Canadian designed military M1 Garand.

An interesting note on border crossing problems is that the second last time I traveled to the US, the US Customs guy asked me when I was last in prison.

I was so floored by the question (being a retired Customs officer myself) that I had to ask him to repeat it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #12 on:** June 13, 2007, 01:43:29 AM »

once when re entering the US i was asked where i lived , the next ? was would i make it by night fall .
I was 1850 miles from home pulling a boat ! it was 11 am , ya got to wonder !

teddy12b · « **Reply #13 on:** June 13, 2007, 04:02:29 AM »

You just touched on the next phase of this question, What do you have to do to get back into the U.S.?

What kind of paperwork do you need to get back home while at U.S. Customs?

upnorth · « **Reply #14 on:** June 13, 2007, 10:33:46 AM »

Don't bother calling. Stop at the u.s. port of exit before you hit Canada customs and go see them in person. They will tell you what specifically you'll need. Every port will give you a different answer if you call. They will also help you fill out the fish and game permits. I was just in there this morning clearing a shipment of firearms, and they had a whole table devoted to cites forms, fish and game etc. all with examples.

chopper charlie · « **Reply #15 on:** June 15, 2007, 04:33:56 PM »

You know, the more I read these posts the more it shows that while we all may meet decent officials, who are willing to help, we have a very common problem, governments just seem to want our guns, anyway and anyhow!
In the states you have the NRA, in Canada we have the NRA but it is a small organization without too much power. Somehow we need to figure a way to get all our strengths together. Just think of the power we would have then!
Gun ownership is just that, gun ownership, no matter what side of the border; it's only our governments that think it is different.

GatCat · « **Reply #16 on:** July 02, 2007, 03:40:02 AM »

One thing to keep in mind, I believe the minimum barrel length in Canada is 18", so if your .30-30 should have the 16" barrel it may cause a problem. I've gone through many times, never had much of a problem. Mark.

teddy12b · « **Reply #17 on:** July 02, 2007, 04:01:24 AM »

We're going to be crossing the border with two savage bolt action 30-06's and one thompson center encore 30-06 (with a thumbhole stock). I'm planning on 60 - 80 rounds of ammo per gun and we'll try to have some of the paperwork done before we get there. I'm sure there will be more forms to pick up or questions to be asked. We'll have the ammo and hunting knives locked up in a box, trigger locks on all the guns, and locks on all the gun cases.

Hopefully we'll be fine. We're going to stuff the rear of an old beat up tahoe with as many coolers as we can find so we can get the bear meat & hides home, and all the fish we hope we'll catch.

upnorth · « **Reply #18 on:** July 03, 2007, 05:14:14 PM »

Your fine on the ammo. You can bring in up to 500 rds each per person for personal recreational use, anything more requires an import permit from energy mines and resources Canada. Just remember to stop at the u.s. port of exit and ask about the forms there before you cross, and have all the info written down and have the firearms accessible if they want to have a quick peek. Oh, and buy your beer on this side of the border....it's a lot better then that headache in a bottle that passes for beer down there!!!

upnorth · « **Reply #19 on:** July 05, 2007, 02:59:48 AM »

Sorry teddy. need to correct myself. non-residents may bring 200 rds each for sporting purposes, not 500 as I previously stated. sorry for the screw-up.

teddy12b · « **Reply #20 on:** July 05, 2007, 03:23:28 AM »

It's ok, we'll probably end up bringing about 50 rounds give or take each so it's not a big deal.