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Offline longcaribiner

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really small calibers, anyone?
« on: July 27, 2007, 03:35:07 AM »
I have a Wurfflein percussion zimmerstutzen that originally had a 28 caliber barrel insert.  I made a 32 caliber caliber insert for it.  It shoots great at 25 yards with 6 grains of 3f.    It seems kind of strange having a 34 inch rifle with double set triggers and needing only an 8 inch ram rod.  Next I may try a 22 caliber insert.     

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Re: really small calibers, anyone?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2007, 05:42:27 PM »
a wurfflein/zimmerstutzen .28/.32 6 grain 8" ramrod,34"barrel 3f double set what?
 Is that a rifle?
uuhhmm, kah zunt hight.

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Re: really small calibers, anyone?
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2007, 07:01:48 AM »
Andrew, Adolf, Jacob and William Wurfflein, a family of Philadelphia gun makers from 1835 to 1910.  A zimmerstutzen.  Auf Anglais, zimmer bedeutet "room" und stutzen bedeutet "carbine."  a target rifle similar to the 17 caliber salon pistols of the 1850's.  While they are rifle length, the hammer is connected by a toggle link to a rod that goes up the center of a hollow barrel.  there is a cutout under the barrel, about 8 inches from the muzzle where one can place the percussion cap on the nipple.  The actual rifled portion of the barrel is only 6 to 8 inches long at the muzzle.  The hammer pushes  the firing rod forward where it strikes the cap on the nipple about 8 inches from the muzzle, hence it is a rifle, with only a pistol length barrel insert contained near the front.  Some are quite fancy with expensive peep sights and yet only require a short 8 inch ram rod.  In a way, they were the original "in-lines"  Some had traditional hawken or half stock designs with side locks and double set triggers.  Mine has a revolver style box lock, but has double set triggers.  A very few, had interchangeable barrels and could have an indoor .17 0r .28 barrel for indoor shooting and a 40 or 45 caliber barrel for traditional out door shooting.   

Just as in some areas of this country and England, there are dart leagues and competitions in Taverns, in Germany, Austria, & Switzerland, there are still zimmerstutzen competitions, although they now use very low powered cartridges in the guns.    For some pictures of modern zimmerstutzens and ammo go to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmerstutzen.  The ammo is very small and consists of a 4.4 to 4.65 primed shell similar to a cb cap and a seperately loaded bullet/pellet.    These guns were developed toward the end of the muzzle loader era and were in their birth, muzzleloaders.   A friend of mine once a muzzleloader zimmerstutzen, using a piece of a .17 caliber air rifle barrel as his rifled insert.  He made his to fit his TC hawken action out of scrap materials .  He shoots .17 caliber balls using solely a percussion cap.  the toggled rod was connected to the flint hammer using the clamp that holds the flint. 

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Re: really small calibers, anyone?
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2007, 03:42:38 PM »
you have a very unique firearm my friend. I'm sorry I ment no offence.