goodwrench6710, do what I did. I got my little boy(9yrs old and weighs 53lbs.) a 30/30 Topper and "down loaded" some 110 grain SP using Unique. We gave it a whirl yesterday evening and much to my surprise, the darn thing grouped a 1/4" MOA at 25yds with my little boy shooting. I worked on shortening the stock the night before until a little after 3am. The recoil felt between a 22LR and a 22Mag. I forget my chrono at home and being that the boss(wife) gave us a 1hr pass, we kind of hurried to shooting session(10 shots only). Thanks guys for all your help. My little boy is on his way to filling the freezer with venison this year. By the way, this papa is grinning from ear to ear with pride and joy watching my little boy shoot. You should have seen him; the focus and shear calmness. This was his first time shootin' a rifle.