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30-30 and cast 150gr + altering rifle at range report
« on: August 31, 2007, 08:08:56 AM »
Did some shooting at the range today from the bench . The pic is at 100yards factory sight. Had some unburnt powder issue but I think that if I had not re-sized the bullets from the mold I would have been fine.
Lee 150gr mold sized at .308, although the sizer says .309 >:(
25gr of Varget. Lee factory crimp, Lyman gas check and cast using wheel weights.

Top group is the stock from factory rifle 4 shots.
I then did MicPherson's quick trigger job that he explained in his book, Accurizing the Factory Rifle. A noticeable difference in trigger pull and it only took 5 min. As well as taking a rat tail file to the forearm and removing where the wood contacted to the metal "shank' that the mounting screw threads into.

Giving me the bottom 5 shot group.
Without adjusting the sights notice the point of impact change after the mods.



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Re: 30-30 and cast 150gr + altering rifle at range report
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2007, 08:17:26 AM »
Nice shooting!! A note of caution in using McPerson's trigger lightening method, several members here have broken the sear notch off the hammer doing that, so be forewarned. :o

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Re: 30-30 and cast 150gr + altering rifle at range report
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2007, 08:22:33 AM »
Nice shooting!! A note of caution in using McPerson's trigger lightening method, several members here have broken the sear notch off the hammer doing that, so be forewarned. :o


Tim

I wonder Quick and this is not to start a flame war, but did they do it right?
Could you point me to those topics or someone could explain what happened.
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Re: 30-30 and cast 150gr + altering rifle at range report
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2007, 09:04:56 AM »
They did it from his instructions, how they actually did it I have no clue, but what one person feels is 20lbs pressure and what hurts them, is a matter only determined by them. For the record, I tried it on several Handis and never got an appreciable measureable reduction in trigger pull using a Lyman digital guage, it has been reported to work sometimes in old posts, but I wonder if it wasn't on older H&R firearms, McPherson's book was published in '99, so he definitely was working with older firearms, likely the original H&R's. I know for a fact that the Topper hammers are softer than current production, they can be drilled and tapped for installing a Win 94 hammer spur extension without being annealed, current production hammers are too hard, need to be annealed first.

I can't remember the names of those that did it, I found one at RFC that I helped, but I have too many posts here to search thru em to find them.

Tim

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137346

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146388
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Re: 30-30 and cast 150gr + altering rifle at range report
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2007, 10:38:32 AM »
 "Top group is the stock from factory rifle 4 shots."

No barrel cleaning or polishing first?

Nice, hope I can get that good of a group with open sights when I get my Handi 30-30, (on my Santa list this year).
Did you try any jacketed bullets?

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Re: 30-30 and cast 150gr + altering rifle at range report
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2007, 10:44:59 AM »
They did it from his instructions, how they actually did it I have no clue, but what one person feels is 20lbs pressure and what hurts them, is a matter only determined by them. For the record, I tried it on several Handis and never got an appreciable measureable reduction in trigger pull using a Lyman digital guage, it has been reported to work sometimes in old posts, but I wonder if it wasn't on older H&R firearms, McPherson's book was published in '99, so he definitely was working with older firearms, likely the original H&R's. I know for a fact that the Topper hammers are softer than current production, they can be drilled and tapped for installing a Win 94 hammer spur extension without being annealed, current production hammers are too hard, need to be annealed first.

I can't remember the names of those that did it, I found one at RFC that I helped, but I have too many posts here to search thru em to find them.

Tim

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137346

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146388

Thanks Quick.
I noticed a crisper trigger pull, can't say if it was lighter.
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Re: 30-30 and cast 150gr + altering rifle at range report
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2007, 10:51:06 AM »
"Top group is the stock from factory rifle 4 shots."

No barrel cleaning or polishing first?

Nice, hope I can get that good of a group with open sights when I get my Handi 30-30, (on my Santa list this year).
Did you try any jacketed bullets?

Bill



I bought this H&R off the used rack (looked new) for $150 a couple months ago. All I did was clean it top to bottom, and then the small mods at the range.
Shot 5 jacketed round through, off hand a while back.
Lots of fun to come with this little jewel. 8)
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Re: 30-30 and cast 150gr + altering rifle at range report
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2007, 06:02:35 PM »
Here are a couple more fellas that have broken sear notches on their hammers, not while doing the marrying, but actual trigger hones.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,53921.msg318998.html#msg318998
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Re: 30-30 and cast 150gr + altering rifle at range report
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2007, 06:27:05 AM »
what are the trigger mods you did?
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