Author Topic: can you still get black talon 45 acp ammo (Read 2339 times)

benjaminw7528 · « **on:** June 20, 2007, 06:24:01 PM »

can anyone tell me where to get some 45 black talon ammo

crabo · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2007, 03:04:12 AM »

I have a friend who has more nice guns than the average gun store. I gave him a box of Black Talons and a box of 45 tracers for Christmas. His wife was amazed that I could come up with a present for him that he was excited about. I've had the bullets for years and have never seen them for sale anywhere lately.

There has been so much press about them that I wouldn't ever use them in a self defense situation.

Crabo

Savage · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2007, 04:52:12 AM »

I am told the Ranger "T" ammo is the same bullet without the black coating. My unscientific tests seem to bear that out. I still have a couple boxes of the evil black stuff in my ammo locker. I would have no problem using it in my carry guns.
Savage

Dusty Miller · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2007, 07:02:42 AM »

If, heaven forbid, I ever have to shoot another human being I'd like to have some "Reasonable Self-Defense Ammunition" in my gun for when the perp sues me in civil court. Somehow, I just cringe at the thought of the plaintiffs lawyer saying "Black Talon" with a growl in his voice.

teddy12b · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2007, 08:15:45 AM »

I've never fired any of those rounds, mostly because I've never been able to buy them. The 45 ACP that I have for home defense is loaded with 230FMJ. That bullet has worked very well for the troops and I'll go with that.

N. Michigan · « **Reply #5 on:** June 25, 2007, 04:03:52 AM »

Your answer is yes, you can purchase the ammo you mentioned but it will cost you dearly from the ammo whores on Gunbroker. As mentioned earlier, the Winchester ranger is the same stuff.

Good luck

myronman3 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 25, 2007, 09:58:42 AM »

Quote from: Dusty Miller on June 21, 2007, 07:02:42 AM

If, heaven forbid, I ever have to shoot another human being I'd like to have some "Reasonable Self-Defense Ammunition" in my gun for when the perp sues me in civil court. Somehow, I just cringe at the thought of the plaintiffs lawyer saying "Black Talon" with a growl in his voice.

ensure that you kill the perp, and avoid the civil litigation all together.

Mikey · « **Reply #7 on:** June 25, 2007, 11:31:39 AM »

myronman3: that statement is pretty harsh and is not the type of advice I like to see here. It's seems that benjaminw7528 is looking for what he feels is a more effective loading for the 45 acp for defense.

teddy12 is right on the money and many of us who carry a 45 prefer plain jane ball ammo. If there is a specific concern about the immediate environs or innocent people nearby then a rapidly expanding bullet might be preferable we might be able to help. Mikey.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #8 on:** June 25, 2007, 11:53:49 AM »

didn't the guy who invented black talon go to Remington and come up with golden saber to do the same thing ?
less the Teflon coat and he used a different coating that was gold colored .

Prebanpaul · « **Reply #9 on:** June 28, 2007, 05:03:28 AM »

THE BLACK TALON LOAD IS NOTHING MORE THAT THE NEW WINCHESTER RANGER AMMO, WITH OUT THE TEFLON COATING ON THE OUT SIDE. THERE ARE SO MANY MITHS ABOUT THIS AMMO IT IS FUNNY. THEY SAID THAT THE TEFLON ALLOWED IT TO GO THRU VEST AND IT WAS THE COP KILLERS BULLET OF CHOICE. THAT IS ONE OF THE LARGEST MITHS. THE REASON THAT IT GO PULLED OF THE MARKET IS THAT A GROUP OF RIGHTS ACTIVIST WAS SUEING WINCHESTER CLAIMING THAT THE RAZOR EDGE ON THE INSIDE OF THE BULLET WAS CUTTING PEOPLE AFTER THEY WERE SHOT (WHO CARES). THEY STATED THAT IT CAUSED DAMAGE AFTER THE ACT WAS FINISHED. WINCHESTER BEING THE SEMI SMART PEOPLE THEY PULLED THE BLACK TALONS AND RENAMED IT. WHEN THE RANGER AMMO FIRST CAME OUT IT WAS MARKETED TO LAW ENFORCMENT ONLY. THERE WERE NO MAJOR FALL OUTS SO THEY LET IT SLOWLY INTO THE CIVILIAN SECTOR. YOU CAN FIND BOXES OF IT AND THEY USUALLY COST ABOUT $45. YOU CAN STILL BY THE BULLET FROM OLIN COMPANY AND RELOAD THEM YOUR SELF FOR A LOT LESS.

PAUL

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #10 on:** June 28, 2007, 06:21:51 AM »

prebanpaul , was there a link to rem. or was that myth also ?

Prebanpaul · « **Reply #11 on:** June 28, 2007, 08:28:45 AM »

MYTH, THE TALON WAS DESIGNED BY WINCHESTER AND WINCHESTER ONLY. THE TALON IS STILL LICENSED BY OLIN, WHO HAS THE RIGHTS TO WINCHESTER AMMUNITION. REMEBER THEY STILL MAKE THE BULLET IN A RELOADING FORM.

Trickyasafox · « **Reply #12 on:** June 28, 2007, 01:10:56 PM »

good luck finding them

I'd like to have 1 just cause i am making a cartridge display, but to be honest, i put black talons right next to Extreme Shock. Interesting marketing and high prices on a premium ammo that may or may not be more effective than other quality JHP.

Prebanpaul · « **Reply #13 on:** July 02, 2007, 03:28:31 AM »

I AGREE I HAVE ONE BOX LEFT. I WILL SWITCH OVER TO CORBON NEXT YEAR

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** July 02, 2007, 04:10:06 AM »

watch the corbon , had some 9 mm that were duds and some 40 corbon that would not go off ,

Cheesehead · « **Reply #15 on:** July 02, 2007, 05:06:27 AM »

I see Black Talon ammo for sale at local gun shows every year. Several calibers available. Way over priced 2-3 bucks a round. I have some in 44 mag and have used it on deer. The animal runs 100 yards after a heart/lung shot. My point is, Black Talon ammo is no more effective than other hollow point bullets.

Cheese

Flash · « **Reply #16 on:** August 12, 2007, 10:36:54 AM »

Quote from: Prebanpaul on June 28, 2007, 05:03:28 AM

THE REASON THAT IT GO PULLED OF THE MARKET IS THAT A GROUP OF RIGHTS ACTIVIST WAS SUEING WINCHESTER CLAIMING THAT THE RAZOR EDGE ON THE INSIDE OF THE BULLET WAS CUTTING PEOPLE AFTER THEY WERE SHOT (WHO CARES).

PAUL

The medical community lobbied along with their legal counsel and had it pulled from production due to operating room accidents with the sharp surfaces. The reloading components were available for years after that and could possible still be. Some of the gun show stuff I personally know to be re-manufactured with the long available bullets.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #17 on:** August 12, 2007, 10:53:34 AM »

Flash

Where could I get BT components?

Cheese

Flash · « **Reply #18 on:** August 12, 2007, 12:53:19 PM »

I seen the Winchester bulk packed bullets at many gun shows and I believe I still have some 40 caliber bullets myself. I bought a bag of 250 about 5 years back and paid $20. Search the shows for the components.

bobthenailer · « **Reply #19 on:** August 18, 2007, 06:30:33 AM »

i have 1 full box and another with a few rounds shot i think 3 but i put the brass back in the box ! make me a reasonable offer for either i also have a full box 0f 357 mag. bob

Josh M. · « **Reply #20 on:** August 18, 2007, 12:27:06 PM »

Quote from: Mikey on June 25, 2007, 11:31:39 AM

myronman3: that statement is pretty harsh and is not the type of advice I like to see here....

Whether you like to see it or not, the reality of self defense shooting is harsh...any attempts to sugar coat it are a mistake. If you ever have to point a gun at somebody it shouldn't happen until killing them is fully justified and necessary.

If you ever have to shoot someone, you should only shoot to kill...leave shooting the gun out of the Badguy's hand to the Lone Ranger.

My $0.02 - Josh M.

Mikey · « **Reply #21 on:** August 19, 2007, 03:03:40 AM »

Josh M.: thanks for the two cents worth but we were basically discussing the availability and effectiveness of a particular bullet, not what one should do in a life and death situation.

Please understand that your last two statements preach to the choir here and do not need to be spelled out in detail to the members, many of whom are combat veterans who have used handguns in close quarters combat and know full well what actions are required.

I've mentioned this before and I will say it again: that statement (made previously) is pretty harsh and is not the type of advice I like to see here. And whether I like to see it or not is not a determination for you to make. It's seems that benjaminw7528 is looking for what he feels is a more effective loading for the 45 acp for defense.

Let's stick to the topic, shall we! Moderator.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #22 on:** August 19, 2007, 04:08:27 AM »

Black Talons are effective but over rated. I have used them on deer and they react the same as it hit by a standard Remington hp.

Cheese

NWdude83 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:01:10 PM »

I just picked up a box of Federal's premium HST, +P 230gr. Cause the guy at the gun store basically said they are the best (showed me some expanded bullets and ballistics charts) and they are fairly hard to get because of the 180 day back-order.

Castaway · « **Reply #24 on:** September 08, 2007, 06:55:12 AM »

I had a box back in 94. Then a cop shot a bad guy with a Ranger round and the press got their panties in a knot about how the razor-sharp bullet cut the poor fellow. There was such a follow up article I decided if the cops got such grief I'd shoot it up and now stoke my 1911's with Hydra-Shocks