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Offline CigarChick

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« on: June 07, 2003, 09:22:43 PM »
This is in response to Hud's msg in my "Hi I'm New To The Group" thread:

I just got back from my first stage of NRA Range Officer Training and this is what I learned:

1. Women who tell me they don't plan on carrying but want something easy to shoot while hiking, at home, etc. tend to like the ease of a revolver in say .38cal.  Women who like revolvers also tend to like simplicity and ease.  However, I met an older woman today who had trouble with most guns because she had such a weak grip so couldn't even pull the trigger on most guns she tried.

-Note-Many of us are intimidated by the recoil we've heard so much about. We women are simply wired to be more cautious, I think, so it's really hard not to "overthink" the whole thing and freak ourselves out so much that we can't do simple operations.
I think that was the above woman's issue more than anything else, I mean, she has to be able to open a simple car door and most of them have more "trigger pull!"

2.  PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME ALL WOMEN WANT OR SHOULD CARRY REVOLVERS!  (Not meant to yell-just want to be clear on this.) I get this all the time at guns shows and it drives me nuts!  I am a semi-auto person and most male gun dealers (and some of the women too) seem to assume that most women want revolvers.  Many women on the range today told me they just like the feel of a semi-auto and can shoot it more accurately than a revolver.

3.  Some 1911 style semi-autos can be too tough to figure out for a first time shooter, male or female.  There is the safety, a tough takedown, and the beavertail safety to contend with.  I find many 1911's are pickier than say the Kahr, Glock, Sig, etc.  If you don't have a crush grip the gun may not go into battery, or may stovepipe.  This style can be a good gun for women down the road but I believe a woman's first gun should be simple to use, right down to the take down and cleaning, or she just won't be interested.  We women are wired to be thinking simultaneously of cleaning the gun, doing the laundry, taking the kids to soccer, etc.  If a gun is too difficult to use, it will get shelved.  Down the line, women like 1911 style but only after some experience.

4.  Women need a gun that fits their hand well or the recoil will make it too painful to shoot. If when the trigger finger is resting on the trigger (unloaded in this test of course!) the trigger fits just into the first joint, and the gun then lines up evenly down the rist and forearm, you've got a match.  If however the grip is too big, when the trigger finger is placed correctly, the back of the gun will then line up with either side of the rist and cause pain in the wrist joint and in the shoulder when shot.  (ok, that seemed a bit complex-sorry!)  The bottom line here is that a woman buying her first gun needs someone experienced in handgun fitting to help her.  Many women end up with a gun their husband or boyfriend likes-it fits his hand (or he'll find a way to make it fit) but it frustrates her to shoot it because it jumps around in her hand when shot.

5. Caliber-That all depends on what each woman believes, is taught, etc. Many men (and some women) seem to think a .45cal is too much recoil.  As mentioned above, I believe much of that has to do more with proper handgun fit than anything else.  Self-defense ammo seems to be most effective in .38cal or better.  Most of the women I talked to today would rather have the biggest punch of power to stop the attack, rather than possibly just knicking the assailant.  Those woman all chose .45cal and love it!

6. We women want desperately to simply solve a problem.  We're not looking to be "cool" or with the "in crowd", we just see it as a simple tool.  Help us find the right tool, help us find a good teacher (other than boyfriend or husband-sorry guys!) and we'll be glad to get into the sport.  Drag us to the gun shop, hint around, buy us a gun, etc. and you're pretty much guranteed a no go.  Let us decide what we like, let us go to classes on our own where we're not worried about either disappointing you or embarrassing you or ourselves and we're likely to enjoy it more.  After all, isn't that what interested you in us and us in you in the first place-new experiences?

Well, you asked my opinion. That's it. I know it's a bit long and I promise to try to keep it shorter next time.

I made a bunch of points here.  Do you other women shooters agree, disagree, ?

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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2003, 04:51:25 AM »
CigarChick,
Your just one point away from a 7 point sermon!  But that is good preaching anyway! You have a lot of excellent points inside your 6 points.
I think all us guys should read and reread this. I printed off a copy for my wife to read. Haven't got her input yet.

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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2003, 05:04:57 AM »
Saw your "entry" post a while ago and wanted to say welcome. I can't speak for WOMEN, but my wife likes
1 S+W mod 60 .38spec   3 inch bbl her beside the bed gun.
2 Ruger Blackhawk .357 Shooting .38spec for fun.
3 S+W .22     4 inch bbl for fun at the range.
She has gamely tried .44mags, .45colts, even my .454casull but did not enjoy them. She wants no parts of any semi autos, including me shooting them in the next stall at the range. Doesn't like the brass flying around.  
Very good point on learning to shoot, I had a friend who is a retired LEO instructer coach my wife, and she does VERY well with any of the revolvers above. And I picked up a few pointers I forgot over 25+ yrs. Being a good shooter {or driver or carpenter etc} does not automatically make you a good teacher. Enjoy.
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2003, 07:07:17 AM »
why is it that women dont take instruction from their s.o.'s very well?   try to teach my wife and mostly get "i know" and "ya think i am stupid" e.t.c.  yet a buddy step forward and say the same exact thing and they soak it in like a sponge.  yet another mystery about the finer gender. . .  :)

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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2003, 08:20:55 AM »
I think CigarChick has touched on some very good points. I do believe the points apply to men also. If you can't properly and safely work the firearm, you need to look at other options. When my wife took the CCW class to get her permit the instructor told the class if you can't work the slide on the provided Browning High Power 9mm, push with the strong hand and pull with the weak hand. She demonstrated to me what he meant at home. I was rather upset to see her elbow or her weak arm  above the muzzle. The slide should be drawn toward you from the rear of the firearm with your elbow close to the torso. Many of the problems of properly handling and firing a handgun are because of fit and strength. The fit problem is sometimes the hardest to overcome. A revolver is usually easier to change the fit. As for the double action strength problem, get snap caps and place an empty cartridge case on the top of the barrel and start dry firing. When you can dry fire six times in a row without dumping the case your're getting pretty smooth. Dave

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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2003, 02:48:35 PM »
Guess I am lucky.  My wife likes and will shoot any gun from a hand cannon on down in handguns or any rifle and shotgun.  Her only hangup is that she hates scopes.

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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2003, 05:18:06 AM »
CigarChick makes some really good points.

FWIW, my little sister will shoot anything you hand to her, though she doesn't like my .45 Colt Blackhawk or my .45 ACP 1911.  I assure you that the cartridges aren't too much for her, as she handles my dad's .44 Mag. Bisley Blackhawk with ease (full power loads, too) and his Ruger P-90.  It's a matter of hand fit in both cases.

My mom, who has carpel tunnel, can't handle either my 1911 or my dad's P-90 without her hands hurting.  She loves his Ruger Standard Model .22, but most semi-autos don't fit her well.  She likes the feel of Lugers and the Ruger .22s, go figure, but aside from that, hand fit goes to revolvers, which she doesn't like.

myronman3,

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.  Next time you have that problem, really pay attention to your buddy and see if he's saying anything differently (tone, body language, etc.) than you are.  The technical details are important, but so is the presentation.

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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2003, 09:30:21 AM »
I took my girlfriend shooting for the first time this weekend and we had a pile of different guns.  Rifles, pistols, suppressors, machine guns, etc.

Of everything we shot, she much preferred the M-60D General Purpose Machine Gun on the anti aircraft mount.  Plenty of power, plenty of knockdown, no recoil on the mount, plenty of ammo capacity, and the twin triggers are easy to pull.

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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2003, 11:18:38 AM »
Chris, I meant without the case falling off of the barrel. Most handguns have a flat rib or area along the sight radius on to of the slide to place the flat case head on. Dave

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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2003, 01:21:10 PM »
When we were shopping for a handgun for my wife, I took into a large store and just told her to walk through and make a list of all the ones she thought she would like.  After she had done that we went through the list and crossed out any cheap (not neccesarily inexspensive, but cheap) ones then started with the top of the list and she held every single one of them.  Eventually she decided on one and I happened to think it was perfect.  We both walked out content she had made the right choice and in fact it was her choice so it added a sense of ownership for her instead of being something the old man wanted her buy.

Oh, it was a Sig 239 in 9mm.
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2003, 03:45:55 PM »
securitysix- the only thing different is she aint married to him.   i suspect it is just her nature.   even she will admit freely that she just doesnt take well to me offering pointers.   i aint frustrated-  i thing it is funny.   besides, the reality is she just isnt interested in this stuff-  once in  a while she will shoot at clay pigeons.  which aint so bad;  it is just more ammo for me to burn.

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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2003, 02:27:04 AM »
Chris, take an empty shell case and try it. It's not easy for most at first but you can learn a smooth double action trigger pull with it. Dave

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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2003, 04:22:12 AM »
Quote from: myronman3
securitysix- the only thing different is she aint married to him.   i suspect it is just her nature.   even she will admit freely that she just doesnt take well to me offering pointers.   i aint frustrated-  i thing it is funny.   besides, the reality is she just isnt interested in this stuff-  once in  a while she will shoot at clay pigeons.  which aint so bad;  it is just more ammo for me to burn.


Same thing happens with kids...I remarked about it to one of my son's teachers (and a darned good one) once, and he said that it's natural...no matter how good a teacher he is, his kid won't listen to him, either. He gets somebody else to teach his kid. It's because at this age, they're busy making sure that the old man is some kind of real jerk, and doesn't know anything. That way he can get ready to leave the nest.
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2003, 04:44:22 AM »
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securitysix- the only thing different is she aint married to him.   i suspect it is just her nature.   even she will admit freely that she just doesnt take well to me offering pointers.   i aint frustrated-  i thing it is funny.   besides, the reality is she just isnt interested in this stuff-  once in  a while she will shoot at clay pigeons.  which aint so bad;  it is just more ammo for me to burn.


That could be.   I mention because I've seen this problem at the range before.  A guy will be trying to coach his wife/girlfriend/daughter and get so frustrated because she doesn't get it the first time.  The RO or some other person comes over there and tells her the same thing, but more polite, focused, and not frustrated when it doesn't go perfect, and she gets it pretty quick.  It may not be your problem, but something to watch out for, maybe even if it's just in other people.