Now I Want That Handi Hornet

[just bill]

Lone Gun man

You  are definitely reading my post wrong. Besides where I live the Hornet is
illegal for deer. I know there are some places in Northamerica and Germany where the deer are not much bigger than large jack rabbits.

You are trying to convince people here that the Hornet is a deer rifle and the 17HMR is not. I am wondering who is kidding.

no I dont advise anyone to use a Hornet as a deer rifle,, I just dont see how the 17HMR even comes close to the Hornet in preformance,

Could be wrong but I think there point was on Ground Squirrels / Gophers.  They can shoot them out to 200 yards or so with a Hummer and may go through hundreds of rounds in a day.  With a 22 Hornet the distance because of similar trajectory, accuracy,very small target, etc. is going to be about the same plus having to load up hundreds of rounds to equal near the same price as rim mag.  I think that's what they meant.  Nice to have the Hornet if a Coyote was a possibility but, my understanding is many of the Gopher, P-Dog shooters often have another larger center fire for the long range stuff right there along with a rimfire for close.   

Tough to beat a Hummer on Gophers I suspect although I have never shot them.

Your in Pa.  I live right on the Pa. border in NY.  Our area the varmints size start at Woodchuck & Fox (much bigger 10-15 pounds).  Then there is the Eastern Coyote/Brush you know what, which in my area every year someone takes one in the 50+ plus range.  Bigger but less shooting on all except maybe Fox.  We see the difference on woodchucks between rim mags & 22 Hornets and it is substantial, about double for the comfort range.  If we were hunting Pine Squirrels it wouldn't seem needed.

I understand the points sometimes we forget it's "the World Wide Web".  I am reminded of that every time an Aussie chimes into a varmint hunting thread with pictures of those monster size Hares  (them things are $@#!  huge!) they shoot over there    Or a guy from Alaska shows pics of what "big" Fox really look like. 

Easy to misunderstand.  We all tend to think "our region, our hunting, our terrain, etc."

[aulrich]

You hit the nail on the head there Bill, context is a major factor, for a long time I would scratch my head over comments from PD hunters saying that the hummer is only good for 100-150 and I would be thinking why numerous times I shot gophers pushing 200 and properly hit they are dead right there , gut hit they would crawl off when hit at that range. 

So I looked to see what differences there could be. As it turns out what is commonly called a gopher (really Richardson's Ground Squirrel) is half the size of a PD so the max useful range that I had seen start to make sense.

And you got it right too about the hornet has way more horse power than the hummer but the hummer has enough for the job when it is a gopher out to 200, but for usable range, trajectory starts to get both of them at about the same range(hornets probably has a little more range)  when the target is not a whole lot bigger than a red bull can.