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Offline Bart Solo

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Expensive "Mistake?"
« on: May 04, 2009, 07:44:20 AM »
I took my wife to a match this weekend.  She had a great time.  This morning she told me that she wants to go with me from now on.  I guess I am going to have to buy more guns.   ;D
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Re: Expensive "Mistake?"
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2009, 10:28:09 AM »
OH darn!
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Re: Expensive "Mistake?"
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2009, 02:53:57 PM »
I think that you should show your wife how much fun you can have reloading!
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Re: Expensive "Mistake?"
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 02:41:52 PM »
Yep, been there, done that! Around seven years ago, I went to my first match with my own guns. My wife watched. The next match, we shared guns. The next match, she had her own set. Been shootin' cowboy with her ever since.

CAS is probably the only sport where you'll find the men talking about clothes and the women talking about guns.

One of the neatest things that ever happened was when we both shot the same match clean. It's happened twice in seven years!
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Re: Expensive "Mistake?"
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2009, 02:14:04 AM »
She is a little apprehensive about the shotgun. Any suggestions? 
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Re: Expensive "Mistake?"
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2009, 05:15:17 AM »
Extra lite 12 ga 1 oz loads.
you may even look into reloading a 1oz or 7/8 oz loadunder 1100 FPS.  I would stay with the 12 ga over a 20.
12 ga guns tend to be a little heavier and will suck up more of the recoil.
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Re: Expensive "Mistake?"
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2009, 01:22:36 PM »
Do NOT make her use your shotgun! If the shotgun stock is too long, it beats up a woman even worse than a man; you may have noticed they are physically somewhat different in the upper body area. It is critical that the stock fit her. If ya need to buy another buttstock to cut short for her, do it.

When she shoots, encourage her to lean forward into the gun. If she leans back (which for some reason new shooters tend to do), her shoulder and back are gonna take the recoil, rather than her entire body.

Use light loads. Winchester AA12FL8, "Low Noise, Low Recoil" is the way to go. They are called Featherlites, but the only indication of that is a feather on the box. Winchester also makes a non-reloadable WinLite, but I've never seen them on the shelf. The Featherlite is .92 oz. of shot moving at 980 fps, which is plenty for SASS. I reload using the Winchester Featherlite recipe: 12 grains Winchester WAALite powder, 26 grams of shot (.92 oz), Win AA12SL pink wad in a Winchester AA hull. Works great, and has no problems taking down knockdowns. The Winchester ExtraLite (AAL128) is a tad hotter load - 1 oz of shot at 1180 fps. My wife uses those for skeet.

Another + for the 12. Unless you load your own, 20 gauge light loads are next to impossible to find (although several manufacturers catalog them). Also, the 20 is usually built on a slightly lighter frame, which accentuates the recoil. Most folks I know that started with 20s to try to get light recoil have gone to 12s. This includes men, women, and even some kids.

A friend of mine with a pacemaker tried a recoil reducer in the stock. He found that with the light loads we shoot, there was no perceived improvement in felt recoil. He would have done just as well to put a dead weight in the stock.

If your wife wants to talk with another lady shooter, message me, and I'll have my wife get in touch. If she'd like to see some websites about lady shooters in SASS, my wife's site is http://www.NovemberTriggerSisters.com , or another popular ladies' site is http://www.carolinabelles.net/
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Re: Expensive "Mistake?"
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2009, 06:04:45 AM »
I think the next time I shoot she is going to watch again. I am going to encourage her to dress up a little. After that I will share my guns with her for a while. If she is still interested I guess I am going to be buying some more equipment.  I think I will buy revolvers and rifle in .357/.38 not because of recoil, but because I actually think .38 special is a better choice in terms of costs and value for the gaming. I am still thinking about what to buy, but that is simply making a decision as to what is best in our price range. I have already bought a full set of equipment once this year, I need to watch my budget. The shotgun is still my big worry.  I have used shotguns all my life, so firing one is something that has never been a problem for me, but Sandy has never fired one and is really worried about it.  I agree with Lazarus and his wife that a 12 gauge is a better choice than a 20 gauge.  I know that is counter intuitive but with very light loads, the extra weight of a 12 gauge more than reduces recoil.  Maybe something with a longer set of barrels (I have 20 inch barrels on my coach gun.)  Maybe a model 1897 would be a little heavier and a better choice.
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Re: Expensive "Mistake?"
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2009, 08:46:53 AM »
From what I've seen the dressing up may be more expensive than the guns! The women do add a nice touch to the events and I do like seeing them in character.
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Re: Expensive "Mistake?"
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2009, 04:43:08 PM »
Quote from: Lazarus Longshot on May 08, 2009, 01:22:36 PM
Do NOT make her use your shotgun! If the shotgun stock is too long, it beats up a woman even worse than a man; you may have noticed they are physically somewhat different in the upper body area. It is critical that the stock fit her. If ya need to buy another buttstock to cut short for her, do it.

When she shoots, encourage her to lean forward into the gun. If she leans back (which for some reason new shooters tend to do), her shoulder and back are gonna take the recoil, rather than her entire body.

Use light loads. Winchester AA12FL8, "Low Noise, Low Recoil" is the way to go. They are called Featherlites, but the only indication of that is a feather on the box. Winchester also makes a non-reloadable WinLite, but I've never seen them on the shelf. The Featherlite is .92 oz. of shot moving at 980 fps, which is plenty for SASS. I reload using the Winchester Featherlite recipe: 12 grains Winchester WAALite powder, 26 grams of shot (.92 oz), Win AA12SL pink wad in a Winchester AA hull. Works great, and has no problems taking down knockdowns. The Winchester ExtraLite (AAL128) is a tad hotter load - 1 oz of shot at 1180 fps. My wife uses those for skeet.

Another + for the 12. Unless you load your own, 20 gauge light loads are next to impossible to find (although several manufacturers catalog them). Also, the 20 is usually built on a slightly lighter frame, which accentuates the recoil. Most folks I know that started with 20s to try to get light recoil have gone to 12s. This includes men, women, and even some kids.

A friend of mine with a pacemaker tried a recoil reducer in the stock. He found that with the light loads we shoot, there was no perceived improvement in felt recoil. He would have done just as well to put a dead weight in the stock.

If your wife wants to talk with another lady shooter, message me, and I'll have my wife get in touch. If she'd like to see some websites about lady shooters in SASS, my wife's site is http://www.NovemberTriggerSisters.com , or another popular ladies' site is http://www.carolinabelles.net/

wow a lot of good info here ill tell you, i agree ,  and when she get her shottie make sure it fits  her , helps a bunch
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Re: Expensive "Mistake?"
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2009, 10:19:17 AM »
As a CAS shooter and former firearms instructor with the PD, I agree with the posting by L Longshot. You might want her to watch the video on proper shotgun stance on you tube. When I was training female officers the shotgun was the tuff one. Women want to break at the waist for a rear stance and we all know what will happen. The second thing is to have fit as has been posted also. The PD finally allowed us to cut thye stocks and add pads for the female shooters. The ultra light loads at 1000 FPS is the ticket
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Re: Expensive "Mistake?"
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2009, 05:44:55 PM »
Quote from: Fairshake on July 03, 2009, 10:19:17 AM
The ultra light loads at 1000 FPS is the ticket

Now that all depends on the woman. We started out with AA Featherlites and the wife complained they were too mild. After seeing someone shooting Remington Nitros that is all she will shoot now. They are 1300 fps 7 1/2's 1 1/8 oz.

Cutting the stock right for a woman though is exactly right though. It needs to be fitted to her, length of pull and 4-5% negative cut. A good recoil pad helps, but nowhere near as the right fit.
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