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Got me a .45-70 guide gun yesterday
« on: May 08, 2003, 08:48:41 AM »
Been wantin one for years, but just couldn't afford it.  However, yesterday I just couldn't pass it up.  The gun was in 99+% shape, had less than a box of shells shot thru it, came with the original box, book hammer extension,etc., $350 + tax.  I am a happy camper.  Gonna put a receiver sight on it, and it is gonna go with me to south Texas next Feb. on a hog hunt, along with my little .30-30 handi rifle.  Them hogs and javies better look out :eek:

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Got me a .45-70 guide gun yesterday
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2003, 08:20:03 AM »
Some words of warning.
ABSOLUTELY do not believe any of the .45-70 loads posted on the net until you've checked them against a current reloading manual.
In another website, it is suspected that a particular shooter purposely posted loads that would be dangerous in a Marlin 1895. His idea of a sick joke.
Then there's the guy who exceeds the maximum listed in a recent reloading manual and doesn't blow up his gun, so he figures it's safe in ALL Marlin 1895s.
Not true! Each rifle is an individual with its own strengths and weaknesses.
For example, the oft-quoted load of 53.0 grains of IMR3031 under a 405 gr. jacketed bullet --- as proposed by the late gun writer Elmer Keith --- is beyond maximum in my own Marlin 1895 of 1977 manufacture.
About 20 years ago I foolishly made up a box of such loads. After a few shots, and after seeing the distended cases and flattened primers, I pulled the bullets on the rest of the box and started over.
Never again have I used a load without checking it against two reloading manuals printed within the past five years.
Lyman's 47th reloading book (circa 1998) lists 48.0 grains as MAXIMUM in the 1895 Marlin and 1886 Winchester. So, I was using a load 10.4 percent higher than Maximum!
Forget what Joe Blow says about the reloading companies being conservative in their load recommendations.
The fact is, the reloading companies that publish the manuals have access to state-of-the-art equipment for measuring pressures. Few reloaders do.
And I suspect that if ALL reloaders HAD access to a lab to measure the pressures they generate, they'd quickly reduce their charges.
The .45-70 is a grand cartridge but it was never intended to be a "weak .458 Winchester Magnum" as some people are trying to make it.
What little extra velocity you gain will not be noticed by the game but it WILL strain your rifle and make it wear out sooner. Heck, it might even let go.
Which brings me to another point: Just because your rifle holds together after 5, 20 or 100 "hot-stuff" rounds doesn't mean that load is safe. It may take more than 100 rounds to eventually weaken or damage the gun.
Frankly, I can't see why everyone's in a race to throw heavier bullets faster in the .45-70. The fact is, the factory load with its 405 gr. softnosed bullet at 1,200 to 1,300 fps has reliably killed game for over a century. The same may be said of the 300 gr. jacketed bullet.
Once about 1,200 fps is reached it isn't so much the speed of that fat, 300 or 405 grain bullet that kills game, it's where you PLACE that bullet.
Enjoy that Marlin. It's a great gun and should amaze you with its accuracy. Mine has for more than 25 years.
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2003, 04:22:03 AM »
Ya don't have to woory about me, I don't handload anymore.  I will be picking out a good load from the factory loads available.  I really want to try the winchester supreme nosler partition golds, in 300 gr.

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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2003, 07:41:57 PM »
I really like my GG. I installed a William's peep sight, using the factory rear sight to 'bore sight' it. It makes it MUCH quicker on target. Mine is most accurate with Winchester's 300 grain JHPs, but I prefer the Remington 405s........if for no other reason that LOOKS of that BIG bullet and plain ol' nostalgia. :)
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2003, 02:19:42 AM »
Mad Dog,

I have a Guide Gun and have accuracy problems with the Winchester Supreme 300 gr Nosler Partitions. My gun seems to like the Federal 300 gr loads much, much better. These are the only 2 factory loads I have used.

I still use the Win 300 gr Nosler's because it is such an outstanding bullet. But I  only use it for close in stuff like bear over bait. When I deer hunt with this gun I switch to the Federals.

If you try the Win 300 Noslers, I would be very interested to know how they fly in your gun.

You gonna love that gun !!

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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2003, 01:43:27 AM »
The Guide Guns are great no matter what the caliber. A local gun shop got three at one time - a 44 Mag, a .444, and the 45/70. By the time I got back with my credit card, the 45/70 was gone. Aaaahh! So, since I didn't have .444 dies, I took the 44 Mag. Turned out to be a good choice because my 12 year old daughter loves it. She's going to hunt with it this coming season. I wouldn't trust loads posted on the net for ANY caliber. WHo knows where they came from. When I reload, I get out the manuals.

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2003, 06:39:27 PM »
If you ever need some REAL loads for the .44mag or the 45-70, look up Garrett cartridges on the net.  He is well-regarded and his loads will stop the biggest pig or black blear in the .44 and the biggest brownie in the 45-70.  They are on the edge but don't exceed Sami-specs for pressure.  They have given great accuracy in magazine tests in the guide gun.  He uses only super-hard cast bullets with a BIG Meplat (flat nose) and says that one of his 500 grainers (yes! 500 grains) will shoot through a moose from one END to the other end.  That said, they are $50 a box for the 45-70 versions.  Note! I installed a Pachmeyer Decelerator pad before I fired any of them.