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CVA Electra banned in Florida
« on: October 08, 2007, 03:55:58 AM »
For the first time in memory Florida has put a stipulation on a black powder rifle. As of Oct. 4, 2007 the CVA Electra is banned for use during black powder season. Contacts with FWC can be made with Capt. John Miller or Capt. Bob Beaton at (850) 922-9022.

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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2007, 02:12:58 PM »
You cannot use them in Delaware either.
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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2007, 03:17:28 PM »
DER DER DERRRRR,who didnt see this coming?
If it aint fair chase its FOUL,and illegal in my state!
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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2007, 03:31:52 PM »
I knew it was going to be a problem in some States. The funny thing is, there are gun shops in Delaware that stalks them and no one in Delaware can use them here. The guy selling them did not even know that they were not legal here. I guess he will have to eat them. LOL
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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2007, 04:01:28 PM »
I'm glad!
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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2007, 05:36:18 PM »
Smokeless needs to be banned too.

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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2007, 11:56:32 PM »
As do the blackpowder subs?  After all smokeless is a blackpowder sub.
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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2007, 01:06:35 AM »
Smokeless needs to be banned too.

Totally different concept. But you are entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong. LOL  :D ;)

That is why this is the MODERN Inline Muzzle Loading Rifles & Shotguns area not the traditional Muzzleloader area. Smokeless is modern. I never said I agreed the CVA Electra should be banned, but I knew they would because of peoples ingornace about guns. (I am talking about DNR and legislators.) I myself would not own a CVA Electra, because I just don't trust electronics in guns.
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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2007, 02:14:12 AM »
Is it true that some states do not allow scopes over 1x, inlines, and rifled barrels?

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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2007, 05:37:21 AM »
Washington state muzzleloader regs prohibits scopes unless used by disabled persons, although fiber optic sights are allowed, no jacketed bullets, only musket or traditional style primers may be used in exposed ignition systems, inlines are allowed, but not if the ignition is enclosed. The electra wouldn't be legal here either.

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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2007, 03:53:06 PM »
I forgot to mention, FWC also banned the use of nitro-cellulose powder during Black Powder season.

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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2007, 04:49:13 PM »
Now that's just stupid.  They need to ban all the subs then.
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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2007, 01:01:11 AM »
I forgot to mention, FWC also banned the use of nitro-cellulose powder during Black Powder season.

Can anyone provide proof?
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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2007, 04:46:47 AM »
http://myfwc.com/whatsnew/07/statewide/muzzlelegal.html

News Release
Not all muzzleloaders are legal for muzzleloading gun season

October 4, 2007
Contacts: Capt. John Miller or Capt. Rob Beaton (850) 922-9022

Note:  The original news release of Oct. 2 has been modified (added text is in bold) to provide clarification.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) wants to make it clear to all muzzleloader hunters – not all muzzleloaders are created equal. Some of the new models do not meet the legal definition of guns authorized for use during muzzleloading gun season.

The two issues which seem to be generating the most questions are whether muzzleloaders with an electronic ignition are legal and whether the use of nitro-cellulose powder is legal. Neither is legal for use in Florida during muzzleloading gun season.

“In particular, the CVA Electra is a new muzzleloader on the market that doesn’t qualify as a state-defined muzzleloader,” said Capt. John Miller of FWC’s Division of Law Enforcement. “It is not a legal weapon for muzzleloader season because it uses an electronic ignition, fired by a battery.”

The legal types of guns for use during the muzzleloading gun season use black powder or a non-nitro-cellulose substitute and are fired by wheel lock, flintlock or percussion cap ignition (including shotgun or 209 type primers). They are not adaptable to use of any self-contained cartridge ammunition.

The CVA Electra muzzleloader is legal to use during general gun season, however.

For more information on muzzleloader hunting, visit MyFWC.com/hunting.
 

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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2007, 06:16:10 AM »
Thanks!

Just another unenforceable law, in the laps of an almost non-existant agency..
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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2007, 03:53:59 AM »
It is not un-enforcable in Florida,,,Savage muzzleloaders have been siezed from hunters in WMAs and fines levied,,this explained to me by Florida Wildlife officers during hunter safety classes.  I have also had my muzzleloader checked while hunting in WMAs here in Florida.  You had better be able to show the legal powder used in the Savage 110 or any other like muzzleloader.  The reason they published the letter was because you had to find out about the regulation by searching the statutes, it was NOT explained in the huniting regulations published, but it was being enforced with the explanation that ignorance of the statute was no excuse for breaking the law!  i had to explain the law to 2 shooters I saw sighting in their Savages at my local range, and by the way most of our wildlife officers here in Florida take their jobs VERY seriously and adhere to the letter of the law in the strictest manner!

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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2007, 11:05:40 AM »
Savage muzzleloaders aren't illegal, why would they be seized?  What about the NEFs with smokeless barrels installed?  Would they know to check those?

Are they making hunters pull the projectile to see what's under it?  Do most wildlife officers even know the difference?

So if a fellow loads smokeless at home and then carries a flask of black or some pellets to the woods, how will the officer know?  I've hunted in FL for 32 years, and I'd say there is little to no wildlife enforcement in the area where we live.  Poaching is rampant.  I've never even seen an officer on the Blackwater Management Area.  I might have seen one on the Eglin Reservation.
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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2007, 04:22:19 AM »
According to the Wildlife officer, the offender readily admitted to the gun being loaded with smokeless powder when questioned.  The weapon was siezed for evidence, as at that time it was an illegal firearm as defined by state atatutes.  Propably returned after court/fine paid or judicated.  I have been stopped and checked by wildilfe officers at Avon Park, Steinhatchee, and Hillsborough WMAs checking my license, weapon, and entry permit.  Cursory glance at weapon since I hunt with sidelock. I have also talked to other hunters that have been stopped and checked at Green Swamp.  Maybe they just work areas that have had violations in the past.  I questioned the wildlife officer at length concerning the statute and the lack of knowledge of the law, he said they will be publishing more information about the statute,,,and yes,,,I think most wildlife officers are aware of which guns can shoot smokeless.  If the offender would have answered that he was aware of the statute and the gun was NOT loaded with smokeless regardless of what was in it, I don't think he would have been fined!

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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2007, 12:44:12 AM »
I certainly wouldn't call the FWC a "non existent agency". They have dramatically increased the number of officers in the WMA's around here, especially Corbett. I have been stopped and asked if they could search my truck for illegal weapons and game. Most are nice guys, but there are exceptions and I don't try to push them. They can and do enforce.

As to the banned muzzleloader, I look at the intention of the muzzleloader season - primitive hunting, hence the early season dates after bows. Some states only allow sidelocks or flintlocks and patched round balls. When I was growing up, that's what we used, and it was primitive. There is nothing primitive about my Omega or my compound bow, but, in my opinion, smokeless powder and electronic ignition may be going to far. And, I'm not sure I understand the advantages of either.

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Re: CVA Electra banned in Florida
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2007, 01:04:10 AM »
Some feel that compound bows are going too far.
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