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Offline rb in ar

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« on: June 19, 2003, 09:30:33 PM »
My normal big bore for American hunting is a 444 Marlin. With the 300 grain Cor-Bon it reaches 2150 fps (non-clocked). I don't think that 3000 ft/lbs. is all that bad from a lever.

However I have a new big bore that will shoot a 300 grain .45 calibre bullet 2350 fps (clocked). That's 3680 ft/lbs. Can you guess what make and model it is? Hint: It is a single shot.

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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2003, 04:21:38 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2003, 05:38:06 AM »
Hay rb:  I'm not so sold on the Cor-Bon ammo for a number of reasons.  One is the amount of hype they put into somewhat lower powered loads.  If the best Cor-Bon will get you for a 300 grain 444 is 2150 feet per sec., then Mr. Peter Pi should go read a couple of reloading manuals before he hypes any more of his stuff.  Right off hand I think, the Hornaday manual lists a couple of different loads in the 444 300 grain weight to 2300'/sec.  

Beartooth Bullets also lists a whole buncha loads just like that.  Also, Garrett and Buffalo Bore produce some whoppin' business end smackers for the 444.  While you might get more calculated muzzle energy from a fatter bullet at the same velocity than you would from a narrower bore, that narrower bore will penetrate a heck of a lot more than the fatter one will.  What I do know is that the 444, in 300 grain weight, from a Contender pistol, has taken the African big 5.  That's enough for me thank you.  And, not to whizz all over your single shot, but my lever can put out anywhere from 4 to 8 300 grain hard cast slugs at 2300'/sec, or better, while you got only one Rugerism.  

Truth is that it is neither fair or accurate to compare a modern cartridge with one about 130 years old.  With the older one, these days, you have the unnecessary move to heavier powder charges and faster velocities when it is simply not needed.  Worse, it is dangerous for those with guns that should shoot only the original loadings.

One thing remains true - both work.  The preference for caliber is yours.  Getting slightly more muzzle energy from one single shot doesn't top what you can put out from a similar calibered lever.  And I have always thought it a dangerous proposition to rely solely on caliber than on capability (yours).  It's sort of like the young Police Officer who depends on his mace/club/gun rather than his training and skills.  By the time you get it out of your holster you have already been run over.

Of course, if your most dangerous game is a point scale on a target frame this entire discussion becomes moot and I will simply close with my wishes that you thoroughly enjoy your new toy.  Mikey.

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2003, 12:28:40 PM »
Mikey:

I couldn't agree more with both the facts and spirit of your reply. I might add that the Cor-Bons are also $$$ pricey for the performance level you get. Still I have a supply and feel they are ok for  N.A. big game. Recoil levels are also important to me when there is no danger of getting  eaten or gored to death.

I agree with wanting to go with a more intense load when going for something like African Buffalo. I don't recall what the recoil level or price of ammunition was while following a big Buff.

The new big Bore (actually about a year old) is not a Ruger it is a Savage M10 .50 muzzle loader. A 300 grain .451 bullet is easily sent to speeds up to 2400 fps with the right load.

If someone ask you why we hunt Buffalo you should answer thus. They are like lawyers, mean, ugly, a terrible disposition and there's way too many of them. If you are a lawyer I don't mean anything bad IT"S a joke.

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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2003, 04:57:22 AM »
rb in ar:  I like that one about the buffalo and the lawyers, thanks.

I also agree with you about the $ of the Cor-Bon ammo but regrettably have little technical information about recoil levels other than Ouch 1, Ouch 2 and Way Too Much Ouch.  And this is all within acceptable pressure ranges for those lever actions.  But, I agree with you about the importance of recoil levels.  I have had luck finding that recoil is much, much worse from the bench and that even when standing taking target shots or just practicing from a standing position that the recoil seems to be less.  Now all this is taking from shooting a 26" custom Winnie Big Bore.  I haven't yet gotten the courage up to go play with my 18" ported Timber Carbine or my 20' Black Shadow.  

Wish me luck.  Mikey.