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Offline freddogs

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What's a 257Roberts +P ?
« on: April 01, 2004, 11:35:49 AM »
:D I saw this in a different forum and was wondering  what the "+P" is. Maybe some one can set me straight.

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What's a 257Roberts +P ?
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2004, 02:08:59 PM »
freddogs -

In .257 Roberts +P the "+P" stands for a loading pressure -- it is the same cartridge as the .257 Roberts in all other respects.

When the .257 Roberts was commercialized by Remington in 1934, it was given a maximum pressure of 45,000 CUP.  The "+P" loads go to 50,000 CUP.

In my opinion, there is no reason not to go to 52,000 CUP in a modern rifle like a Ruger -- the problem is there are no factory loads at that pressure and the handloader is hard pressed to accurately determine pressure.  Since I got my Ruger earlier this year I have worked up loads based primarily on data from Barnes, Hodgdon and Hornady and have been very impressed with the results.  Currently I push the Hornady 75g VMAX at 3606gps with H4895 and the Barnes 115g TSX at 2958fps with H4831SC and 3013fps with H4350.  While these are close to top +P loads, I do not believe they are over the 50,000 CUP mark.  They are, however, incredibly accurate given that the rifle has a 22" sporter barrel.

The .257 Roberts with +P loads has proven itself to be a wonderful cartridge for my needs.  For now I am satisfied shooting the centers out of clay pigeons at 200 yards, prairie dogs when I can find them, and using it as a backup coyote rifle.  (Actually, it has become my primary coyote rifle - and will remain so until I get a shot at one.) This fall I hope to hunt antelope with it, and possibly mule deer.  I am also looking forward to taking it 4 hours down the road to the NRA's Whittington Center where it will be used to plink the steel rams at 500 meters - something they do not allow with my 7mm Rem Mag.

Before getting the .257 Roberts I was considering getting a .25-06, which was only available in a longer action with a longer barrel.  HAd I gone that route  would have missed a sweet gun.  Recoil is minimal (12 foot-pounds) even with my heavier 115g hunting load, and the short action/short barrel makes it a dream to handle.  In return I gave up 100fps max for most loads.

Don't know why yuo are asking, but if you are considering one, I highly recommend them!  (I don't think you can go wrong with a .25-06, either.)
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What's a 257Roberts +P ?
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2004, 08:35:46 AM »
:D I've got a 257 Roberts AI. At one time I felt the need for a wildcat. It's a nice rifle. It's built on a 98 mauser action. I sent it out to be rebarreled and did all the other work myself. Sometimes I take it out and work on loads.I want to try some varmint bullets in it.