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OK now they are in my back yard
« on: November 01, 2007, 06:31:14 AM »
Beagles (THE BEAR CHASERS) would not go out yesterday morning, they peed on the corner of the porch and ran back inside.  Really got the wife mad.  Then I took my snow machine out for a test ride on the new snow to the Chena Lakes Rec area.  Saw tracks on the pipeline before I got to Chena Lakes, knew they were wolf.  But there had been too much traffic on the pipeline to tell how many animals there was.  Then when I got to the flood plain saw the tracks of a small pack.  Two large animals and three younger ones.

No kids came to my house for Trick or Treat last night, wonder why?



Wolves kill, eat pet dog in North Pole subdivision

By Tim Mowry
tmowry@newsminer.com
Published November 1, 2007

A pack of wolves killed and ate a dog in a residential subdivision in North Pole early Wednesday morning.

The dog, a 15-year-old black Lab mix named Shilo, evidently ran into the wolves while it was out taking care of its morning business, said owner Ed Lesage, who lives off Mavencamp Court in North Pole, a subdivision at the end of Hurst Road on the edge of Chena Lake and the Chena Lakes Recreation Area.

Lesage said his wife, Teresa, both teachers, let their two dogs, Shilo and a 4-year-old husky named Chief, out to go to the bathroom at about 4 a.m. just as they do every morning.

“We let ‘em out, they go to the bathroom and they come back 15 or 20 minutes later,” Ed Lesage said of their morning ritual.

On Wednesday morning, though, Lesage noticed that all the dogs in the neighborhood began barking shortly after he let the two dogs out.

“Something just didn’t seem right,” he said.

His wife went outside to check on the dogs and found Shilo dead on the edge of the lake, about 50 yards from the house. Chief, the husky, was standing at the edge of the woods and bolted toward the house when the dog saw Teresa, Lesage said.

“She came back up from the lake and said, ‘You need a pistol,’ ” Ed Lesage said of his wife.

After arming himself, Lesage walked down to the lake and saw three distinct blood spots in the snow. The dog was half-eaten at that point, he said. It was too dark to tell if it was a bear or wolves that killed the dog, so Lesage retreated to his house and called 911. Alaska State Troopers directed him to the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.

State wildlife biologists Don Young and Tom Seaton drove to North Pole to inspect the kill site at first light. They estimated there were five wolves in the pack and it doesn’t appear the killing was premeditated, Young said.

“Based on the tracks, it looks like it was a chance encounter,” he said. “The wolves were coming one way and the dog was coming the other way and they met.”

By the time the biologists arrived at around 9 a.m., the wolves had consumed the dead dog, Young said.

While it doesn’t happen every year, wolf attacks on dogs in outlying areas of Fairbanks are not uncommon, especially given the number of sled dog lots there are in places like Two Rivers, the Goldstream Valley and Salcha, Young said.

“It’s not unusual,” he said. “It seems like it happens every three or four years.”

The Lesages’ property is “right on the edge of civilization,” Young said.

It was unknown if the wolves remained in the area, but Young advised residents to keep a close eye on their pets and children when they’re outside.

“We have no idea whether these wolves are going to leave the area or hang around the area,” he said. “They’ve already taken one dog.”

As for the risk to humans, most notably children, “it’s always better to err on the side of caution,” Young said.

“I don’t think anybody should panic,” he said. “Most interactions between wolves and people are wolves that have been habituated or been fed and we have no indication that’s the case with these wolves.”

Young knows of a trapper who lives in the area and said the department will contact him to let him know there are wolves in the area. The trapping season opens today, Young said.

Other than a cracked tooth and the fact she was “a little bit slow,” Shilo was in good health for a dog her age, said Ed Lesage. The fact that Shilo was killed on Halloween was somewhat creepy, he said.

“We got the dog on Halloween night in 1993,” Lesage said. “We picked her up as a stray when we were stationed (with the military) in Naples, Italy.”

Contact staff writer Tim Mowry at 459-7587.

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Re: OK now they are in my back yard
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2007, 05:08:45 PM »
I'm not sure that I understand your frustration. I live in semi-rural Alaska, raise geese and goats and have fox and coyote tracks on my property on a regular basis. If I take my dog for a run down on the river (1/4 mile away) I see wolf and bear tracks. That's why I live here. Wolves and bears take their share, which is as it should be. My dogs don't run free for that reason.

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Re: OK now they are in my back yard
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2007, 05:51:08 PM »
Wolves have been taking more than their share lately.  That is why the state implemented a predator control program.. which isn't really handling the wolf population...  I saw wolf tracks down here on the peninsula the other day... something you barely ever see.
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2007, 06:17:16 PM »
Wolves and bears aren't capable of taking more than their fair share. Only humans can do that. Now don't go off half-cocked thinking that I'm an anti-hunter, I'm not. But I am a firm believer in managing wildlife for the sake of the wildlife. All wildlife. There are few of us anymore that NEED to kill a moose or caribou to survive, we do it for sport... the predators are infringing on the success of our sport. Hmmm

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Re: OK now they are in my back yard
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2007, 06:39:31 PM »
Dave:  Wolves can kill more than their share. I was up in Nulato one winter.  We trapped from Dec. till March on the north side of the Yukon, about 15 miles of river bank.  Within that time frame the wolves killed 10-12 moose.  One or two they ate.  The others were left to rot.  They killed for fun basically. 

Up near Purdoe there is a female grizz that kills Musk Ox for fun.  She has found that if the herd bunches up, and she runs at them, they bust up and are easy pickings. F&G has been trying to kill her as she is decimating the herd. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2007, 04:38:25 AM »
I agree with Dave. Many predator's will kill simply from the instinct.
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Re: OK now they are in my back yard
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2007, 05:58:23 AM »
Dave Weiss: We had a nice hunt-able herd of Caribou just across the river from Fairbanks.  They numbered in the thousands, now they are down to a few hundred.   Not due to hunting pressure either.  Wolves killed off the herd.  I know, I personally saw wolves chasing caribou, ripping their bellies open then leaving them to die on their feet, while they (the wolves) went off chasing another caribou.  I came back and reported it to the F&G biologist (Ed Crain) for the area, he all but called me a lier, stating "Wolves don't do that".  Later that year he was on TV, saying the sudden decline in the herd required it to go permit hunting only.  That herd has been in decline ever since.  If no predator control is implemented in that area soon there will be no Caribou left in that area.
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2007, 09:34:58 AM »
Humans are a lot more responsible than wolves are.  Wolves are natural born predators.  If they get hungry, they kill.  When they are full, they stop eating.  They will at times come back to old kils... but not all the time.  There are many instances where wolf kills are found, half eaten, rotting.  Especially in instances like rog was talking about with caribou herds as large as that.  When the wolf population is healhty enough - they don't need to eat the hard to get to parts of the carcass.  They will simply make another kill. 

And it isn't like they are nice about it either.  If wolves get hungry, they will kill other wolves, doesn't matter to them.  If they get the urge, they will kill pretty much whatever is in front of them. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2007, 04:24:15 PM »
Sourdough, I doubt that wolves alone were responsible for such a drastic decline. If the wolves were that successful in that particular area, the caribou probably adjusted their migration pattern and you may have to travel farther to find them... it's been that way for a long time.
Sorry guys, but I just don't buy into predator control so that we can have more, we should be allowed to harvest the excess. JMHO.

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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2007, 12:28:14 AM »
It has nothing to do with traveling farther to find them.  They do population studies and counts by air.  They know where they are, and also know how many of them there are.  There hasn't been a change in availability of food and water, and the human element is controlled by state game laws.  They haven't found any diseases which could have caused such as drastic decline in not only the area that he is talking about, but others. 

For the most part, it has been proven that wolf and black bear predation has been affecting the numbers of moose and caribou in certain areas, even brown bears in a few. 

Though they make good points, I don't need to listen to the scientists, I don't need to listen to the government, I listen to the moose.  Go hunt in unit 16 where my property is, you won't hear moose.  They don't talk anymore.  The reason is so they don't attract the wolves and bears to them.  Even the animals have started noticing the pressure! 
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2007, 01:25:18 PM »
Dave Weiss:  I personally counted over 60 dead Caribou carcasses that spring.  Few had been fed upon, they were just lying there rotting.  After the wolves ripped their bellies open they left and did not return.   
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