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Offline les hemby

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« on: June 23, 2003, 12:35:50 PM »
what is some of the problems with old style frames other than having to open to cock is it prone to breakage what is G2 supposed to fix are problems very common i saw one quit shooting one day at range but no idea what was wrong

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2003, 01:08:40 PM »
Les - first off, you don't have to open a Contender frame to recock it... just squeeze the trigger guard, release and cock the hammer (try it a few times and you'll find the "spot" to squeeze to).   Personally, I think the pre-fire EO frames were and will always be the best you'll ever see come out of TC.   The G2 was how TC finally went to get a politically correct (read that "lawyers") trigger group into a smaller frame (mini Encore), albeit over 3 years after first promised, and way long after they discontinued the EO Contender frames.   I know they never really wanted to ever produce the G2, so guess public pressure has finally forced the issue with them.   Now we'll see if they really do any numbers of them production wise.   Have no personal experience with the G2, except handling a very early prototype (under the counter) at the SHOT Show, but in my eye (and hands) it will never be a replacement for the original Contenders - and I will never own one of them.   I also expect most old time Contender users will feel the same after they try one out.   I was fortunant to pry out a lot of inside info at the 2K show (because of who was with me when we met with KF & TP), and I formed some hard opinions of TC the company from that info.   So, this is all just in my opinion, YMMV, but some of it comes from the inside knowledge (no, I won't/can't pass it on).   Hope some of the rambling helps les.
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2003, 01:28:44 PM »
really explains politics of it thanks i am very happy with my old style and feel it is way prettier than G2 pics anyway thanks for the insight

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2003, 09:03:11 AM »
Ladobe: so, were I wanting to pick up a pre-fire Contender frame, what serial number would I look for?

Also, how is the trigger group in the G2 politically correct?

I'm a newbie with TCs, although I've wanted one for 20 years, and just never had the $$ or time until now.

Thanks,
Rob
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2003, 10:55:07 AM »
they can tell you more than i can but my T/C s" have the best triggers of any gun i have personally fired out of box i take pollitically correct triggers to mean that it will cost you for a trigger job to get what use to come for free but just about all production guns are pretty much doing this to stay away from lawsuits i am by no means an expert but i would not trade my old styles for G2 to me pics of G2 kinda look plain old style has class  but just my.02

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2003, 02:24:39 PM »
Quote from: TeamNelson
Ladobe: so, were I wanting to pick up a pre-fire Contender frame, what serial number would I look for?

Also, how is the trigger group in the G2 politically correct?

I'm a newbie with TCs, although I've wanted one for 20 years, and just never had the $$ or time until now.

Thanks,
Rob


Rob -

The blue EO Contender frames started around serial number 195,000, and all stainless "C" frames are EO.   Easiest way to tell the so called prefire EO frames is that they had the deep relief full body cougar on the side plates (both blue and stainless), and ran until their in stock inventory of them ran out shortly after the fire.   They didn't retool back to their traditional frame after the fire, so the last of the EO frames, both blue and stainless, have an etched cougar head only on the sides that look like a 6 year old did them (to my eye).   Also, one of TC's better ideas that really wasn't a better idea was on the last frames, and was a lower breech black piece that was spot welded to the main breech block.   The idea was that if/when this area got worn out from the barrels lug bolts, it could be replaced.   Sounded good on paper, but with their even poorer (after the fire) quality control, they let way too many of them out the door either not welded, or welded mis-aligned.   I did battle personally with TP and KF over this (a new one of mine was not welded) at the 2K SHOT Show, then continued to fight TP over mine for the next 3 1/2 months until they finally fixed it and sent it back.   When they dropped the "C" frame altogether, that solved that mess.

Les pretty well hit the trigger thing - TC wanted to make the G2's like the Encore, a heavier and safer trigger right out of the box, and supposedly not as easy to alter.   I had one of the first Encores shipped, and a little magic by my pard Fred at Bullberry had mine crisp and clean and 8 ounces.   So much for their politically correct triggers.   I expect the same can be done to a G2's trigger.

Welcome to the world of TC's.   With over 33 years of them behind me, I can assure you it is a disease.   For a new gent just starting out, my advice is to try to find a pristine prefire EO frame and have one of the custom barrel makers build you a tube for it (I prefer Bullberry and SSK myself).  Oh yeah, and kiss the wife and kids now, cause once your bitten, you won't be seeing much of them anymore.   :wink:   BTW, there is a heck of a lot of very "TC" knowledgeable people that run this forum and I am sure any of them would be glad to help with any questions along the way.

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