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Offline Lloyd Smale

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ok guys i know nothing
« on: December 15, 2007, 02:55:27 AM »
I had one magellan basic unit when they first came out and it was junk. A couple trees and it didnt work and it took forever to lock on to satalites. I ended up tossing it in the garbage. What i want is a unit (as cheap as possible) that will alow me basic functions and also allow me to see detailed topo maps of small areas like a mile at a time to scout for deer hunting loacations. Most of the consumer recomendations i see gravitate toward the gamlin uniits. If a guy has to look at buying the machine and the softwear to get what i want what would be my best bet. Is there any units that allready come with detailed topo maps in them. Keep in mind that im computer illiterate and somethng thats easy to work with is a top priority.
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Re: ok guys i know nothing
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2007, 05:49:54 AM »
been doing a little more research. What do you guys think of the delorme pn-20
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Re: ok guys i know nothing
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2007, 07:22:33 AM »
I think you have a couple of alternatives. 

I think the Garmin High Sensitivity units that take a Micro SD card are your best option. 
Quote from Garmin at http://www8.garmin.com/cartography/topo/index.jsp#
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Garmin offers detailed TOPO data on microSD cards, making it easy and convenient to "plug" maps into your compatible Garmin. These data cards do not include any software for use on a PC.
 
The pre-loaded cards are expensive compared to the same software that you can purchase on a DVD.  The pre-loaded cards will cost you about 50% more.  MapSource USA Topo 2008 DVD can be found on the net for around $90.

I have had a continued learning curve working with computers, and I have enjoyed working with computer mapping software.  I would not have a problem using the topo software up in the Little Indian River country or out on a lake.  In fact I use my topo software all the time out fishing.  I happen to have a fishfinder/Gps on my boat and my only regret is that I did not buy a Garmin fishfinder/gps to shorten my learning curve and control cost.  I am not a computer expert, and struggled when we first got a computer. 

As a hunter-fisherman I would select a 76Cx or 76CSx because they float and I prefer the layout of the buttons.  I can easily cup the unit in the right or left hand and selected the needed buttons one handed.  I was also able to do this with the eTrex series.  I find gps units with the buttons on bottom of the unit clumsy.  When out trolling I found the mention units easy to mark fish with one hand, and fight the fish with the other.  The 76Cx and 76CSx Internal memory is preloaded with a marine point database which displays navigation lights, Tides and wrecks. 

I find the new Delorme gps and package of interest.  But I have no experience with them. 

P.S.  The 76Cx and 76CSx come with a 128 MB sd card.  A quick check of Topo USA show the entire U.P. take a little less then 12MB.  Depending on your needs you would not need to purchase a larger card.  The entire state of MI only requires 28.1MB of Michigan. 
There is a learning process to effectively using a gps.  Do not throw your compass and map away!

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Re: ok guys i know nothing
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2007, 07:23:01 AM »
 I like DeLorme USA for making topo maps. If it works well with that program it would be good. I'm still learning my Garmin 60c. Things to compare you can fnd from the company sites are features and battery life. Being able to update your GPS is a big plus IMO because if there's a glitch most times it can be corrected with an update. One that is a "canned" unit that can't be updated is all you'll ever get out of it good or bad.
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Re: ok guys i know nothing
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2007, 03:49:39 PM »
Hey Lloyd,

I just am really getting into the whole GPS thing also.  Had a Garmin Legend but never used it enough to really understand and remember all the details about using it.  I went with the Garmin 60csx.  Got a lot of help from Siskiyou and really like it.  The color screen, for me with not great low light vision, is very helpful.  I prefer the button location on this more than the Legend because they are labeled.  The satellite acquisition is very good even in the woods with high folage etc.  But I would not say they are cheap.  Mine after being on sale and $50.00 rebate was still over $300.00

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Re: ok guys i know nothing
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2007, 08:01:39 AM »
I have to agree a top of the line even with a rebate is costly for many of us.  The Garmin GPS 60CSx is the current choice of most professional outdoorsmen I know.  In fact a friend who is due to retire, and asked what he wants as a retirement gift did not blink an eye, he wants a Garmin GPS 60CSx.  I believe his true introduction goes back to the old Garmin III+.  He has been a member of an Incident Management Team that has had numerous assignments across the United States.  He is a 12-month a year outdoorsman and he uses his issue 60CSx to create routes, Tracks, waypoints, and determined acreage on a regular bases.  He knows the more expensive mapping gps provides better reception and flexibility then the low cost units.

The old Yellow eTrex is being replaced by the new Yellow eTrex H with a high sensitivity receiver; it can be had for about $110.  http://www8.garmin.com/manuals/eTrexH_OwnersManual.pdf

The GPSMAP60CXs has more features and cost between $370 and ++$400 depending on the vendor.  Currently Garmin is offering a $50 rebate on this unit, which runs out after 12/31/2007.  I have bought my last two gps units taking advantage of the Garmin rebates.  Garmin has offered rebates on it’s top of the line unit about two times a year.

http://www8.garmin.com/manuals/GPSMAP60CSx_OwnersManual.pdf


I hunt a lot of public land where you can drive one hundred miles without hitting pavement.  In many areas there is a lack of signing because of vandalism.  The case of James Kim and his death in Southern Oregon comes to mind.  If he had a good mapping gps the out come may have been different.

It seems that the group I hunt with is getting a little older.  The guy’s wives are getting concerned when we hunt by ourselves.  A hunting buddy and I caught the dickens a couple years ago when we got in real late.  In most areas we hunt there is no cellphone service, but every once and while I will get a signal.  I will call the wife and give her the location name along with the Lat/Long from my gps.  My mapping gps provides me the name of the nearest landmark.  That is a benefit over buying a less non-mapping gps.

Recent additions to the orbiting satellites and adjustments to software in older satellites have greatly improved the signals in the last couple years.  When I started out I was using the original blue Garmin Legend.  It worked okay 80 percent of the time, but the other 20 percent it would not receive a signal.  I gave my Garmin Legend to my son, but I still have my 76C and the 76Cx.  Reception has never been an issue with the 76Cx but it has been at times with the 76C.  But the 76C improves with the additional GPS satellites that have been launched.  The new satellites have a more powerful transmitter, and there have been some software upgrades in the older satellites. 

I was surprised on Sunday while out hiking.  I was in an area of about 20 percent visible sky and there was a ridgeline to my SE about 1000 feet higher then my location.  The unit was bouncing back in forth between 9 and ten satellites.  And it had a lock on WAAS.  A couple of years ago I would have never received a lock on WAAS in that area.  In 2002 I had to be down in the long North-South valleys of California to get a WAAS lock or on the peak of a tall mountain.

I was hunting above 7000 elevation and dropped into a dark canyon which was covered with tall Red Fir trees, rocks, and numerous little springs.  The springs provided moisture for the numerous mushrooms in the canyon.  On that day the clouds were blowing into the canyon, and there was numerous snow showers.  The bottomline was visibility was very limited.  I thought it was a good time to test out the Garmin Legend.  It would not receive the three satellites I needed to get a lock.  If I had a lock I could have scrolled the map with the pointer and found the nearest road or track back on my snow covered trail.  Two hours later I popped out on a road next to an old clearcut in which the trees where still small.  The Legend quickly locked on to enough satellites to obtain a position.

When Garmin came out with the 60Cx, 60CSx, 76Cx, and 76CSx with the high sensitivity receiver I wanted one.  But I had a few choices to make.  I wanted a new rifle in the 270WSM caliber.  I grew up wanting a 270 Weatherby Magnum, so when the 270WSM came out it was the next best thing.  But I had to make a choice. 

At the time I was doing a lot of traveling a gps with expandable memory was very attractive.  The problem was that I would get directions to travel long distances immediately and did not have the luxury of loading a new mapset into the Legend.  The Legend has only 8MB of storage, which amounts to about 35 topo maps.  I had already upgraded to the 76C with 128 MB of built in memory.  I had California covered along with limited coverage in other states.  But I wanted more and that came with the 76Cx and an after market 2GB micro SD card.

I agree with Longwinters the best cost more, or it the working mans words they do not come cheap.  I bet Longwinters is getting better reception with his 60CSx, and he will use it more.

There is a learning process to effectively using a gps.  Do not throw your compass and map away!

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Re: ok guys i know nothing
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2007, 04:09:34 PM »
You are absolutely right Siskiyou.  It is a lot more fun using a GPS when you can pick up satellites on a regular basis.  The more fun and usability the more I take it along.

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Re: ok guys i know nothing
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2007, 05:46:32 PM »
Is the 76 better/more expensive than the 60? I'm still using a Garmin 12XL


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Re: ok guys i know nothing
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2007, 08:24:41 PM »
All the models below have the SiRF high-sensitivity receiver.  They have longer battery life using two batteries then the older GPSXL 12 using four batteries.  To truly make a gain over your GPSXL 12 you should by pass the Garmin 60, 60s, 76, and 76s.  Also pass on the 60C and 76C gathering dust at the local sporting good store.  They are good units but I expect you want good reception in thick cover.  You will not get it with those mentioned above. 

The models displayed below have the SiRF high-sensitivity receiver.

    Quantity   Name   SKU   Each   Total
        Garmin GPSMAP 60CSx PKG incl USB PC Interface cable    010-00422-00   $369.95   
        Garmin GPSMAP 76CSx PKG incl USB PC Interface cable    010-00469-00   $369.95   
        Garmin GPSMAP 60Cx PKG incl USB PC Interface cable    010-00421-00   $329.95   
        Garmin GPSMAP 76Cx PKG incl USB PC Interface cable    010-00468-00   $329.95   

Historically the 76 series had more memory then the 60 series.  When they came out with the (x) models they continued that with the 60 series have a 64 MB micro SD card, and the 76 (x) having a 128 MB micro SD card.  But I credit that difference to marketing because an after market micro SD 2 GB card can be bought for less then $20 on sale.  The 60(x) series and the 76(x) series share the same chip.  In the old series the 76 series had a slight better Basemap because it had a larger chip and it had tide charts.  But that difference is not longer.

The differences:  Location of buttons and screen are reversed.  The 76 series floats, the 60 series sink.  This is important to sailors and fishermen.  The looks of the 60 series appeals to most people.  With the current $50 rebate the 60Cx and 60CSx are the best deals.  Otherwise it is a toss-up. 

When the price is the same I prefer the 76 series because of the position of the buttons.  I can easly hit all the buttons using one hand with either the right or left hand, and the screen remains in view.  I bought the 76 series because the rebate price was lower then the 60 series.

Using MapSource US Topo I can put part of Louisiana, and North Carolina, all of S. Carolina, Georgia, Florida, and Alabama on the 128MB card and have a little bit left over.
There is a learning process to effectively using a gps.  Do not throw your compass and map away!

Boycott: San Francisco, L.A., Oakland, and City of Sacramento, CA.