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125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« on: November 25, 2007, 05:29:13 PM »
Saturday I hunted with my "wife's" NEF .30-30, loaded with 125 grain Ballistic Tips. I've read a lot about them from guys using them in .30-30 and .30-30 AI T/C Contenders and they've been accurate in my rifle.

 I'm not a huge fan of Ballistic Tips based on what I've seen happen with them over the years when they hit bone, but I figured at 2672 avg MV the 125 might be a good deer bullet.

Long story shot-- I shot a coyote at 143 yds (measured) at 6:15 am at the edge of a creek. He fell in the creek, I decided to stay put and keep hunting and get him later. The wind picked up around 8:30 and I hadn't seen anything and figured the full moon may be messing with the deer movement anyway, so I went to get the coyote and get back to my thermos of coffee in the truck.

When I got to the other side of the creek I saw two does standing on the bank, ended up shooting one on a dead run (the deer, not me) broadside at roughly 75-80 yards.

As it turned out, the bullet hit right behind one shoulder and exited smack in the middle of the opposite shoulder, hitting ribs on the entrance, and ribs and shoulder blade on the exit. There was no blood trail for the first 20 yards or so, but after that there was an ample blood trail and I had no trouble finding the doe which had run about 80 yards through sage and some nasty briars.

The doe was 110 lbs on the hoof, the entrance hole in the ribs was about 2 1/2" in diameter and the exit in the ribs was smaller, maybe 1 1/2"- exit hole in the hide was small, probably .44 cal or so.

Granted, this is not the normal load for a .30-30 and most people who hunt with that bullet probably load it faster than it was going, but the bullet performed well and didn't come apart-- which the Hornady 130 Spire -did- on a 117 yard shot on a 130 lb buck two seasons ago. So I didn't know what to expect. The deer reacted about like what you'd expect from a .30-30, no complaints there.

Now, the case can be made that on a broadside shot at that range with that shot placement that ANY bullet from just about any caliber would have done well. Maybe so, and if it had been an angling shot on a heavier deer I'd still prefer the muscle of the .308 or the Brick Wall of the .45-70.

I'm not about to start loading Ballistic Tips in my other rifles, I still want my 165 BTSP in my .308, my 405 JSP in the .45-70, and the 145 spitzer in the .280, but this bullet exceeded my expectations.

And I have to give a shout out to the Simmons Pro Diamond reticle, that deer was headed out of there in a hurry and all I knew was that I had the shoulder of that deer in the middle of the diamond and that I had hit her -somewhere- (she humped up when I shot and I was afraid I had gut-shot her). I don't usually shoot at running deer and it may have been just pure luck, but that reticle helped me get on target quickly and the shot placement couldn't have been better.

  I think I'll stick with this load for another deer or two and see how it does.


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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2007, 05:37:49 PM »
Congrats, the reviews on the 125gr BT are nothing short of excellent!

Thanks for sharing the great story. ;)

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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2007, 06:59:01 PM »


If the 125 grain BT's fly well for you...you should try the 150 grainers...Granted you'll be a couple hundred fps slower...but the performance  will give you what your looking for at that velocity...Others here have used them with success..I've used them on a few deer under 200 yards quite a while ago out of my Topper 30-30..and the 150's did much better from any angle out of the 30-30 IMHO...I reserved the 125's for varmints...

Good shooting & Good story...BTW

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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2007, 11:03:34 PM »
Hello RickC. 
Great story and congratulations on the deer and the coyote. I always like to read about bullet performance.
How did the 125 BT do on the coyote?
Thanks!

GOOD SHOOTING!
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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2007, 02:11:09 AM »
Thanks guys.

 I do have a few 150 BT left, and that was my original plan but the 125 BTs and Hornady 130s (#3020) grouped so much better that I went with the lighter bullets.  I have experimented with some Speer 150 BTSP with the chrony but haven't shot them for accuracy.  With 748 and 3031 I can get them in the 2400-2450 range without pressure signs.  The 125 load I'm using is IMR's max book load for the Contender, BTW.

  I hit the coyote farther back than I'd wanted, but she was crossing a steep clay bank and tumbled into the creek at the shot.  It was a bit messy, but the pelt was salvageable.  I took it to a local taxidermist who was all too happy to sell me an expensive mount, but didn't want any part of just having the pelt tanned.  That happened to me once before on a bobcat a few years ago so I wasn't too surprised.

  This .30-30 Handi is plenty accurate for varmints, but I think I'd use something other than a 4x32 if that were my main purpose!


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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2007, 04:36:39 AM »


Rick...

Try some some of the Sierra's SBT or SPT flat base...I got right at 2400fps out of mine and shot very good seated .005" off the lands...both would shoot under 1" at 100 yards..I was using Reloader 7 Winchester Super Speed cases & Winchester LR primers...with no crimp..

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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2007, 05:22:53 AM »
Thanks Mac,

 I don't have my notes handy, but I seem to remember the velocities I got with Re7 were disappointing-- but I didn't try to push the envelope and stayed with published loads.  But I'll be happy to revisit that powder, in February when I have time to play with loads again.

  The Sierra bullets you mentioned are harder than the Speer boattails, no?

 
 
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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2007, 05:53:11 AM »
What were the other components you were using? 

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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2007, 06:32:37 AM »
Thanks Mac,

 I don't have my notes handy, but I seem to remember the velocities I got with Re7 were disappointing-- but I didn't try to push the envelope and stayed with published loads.  But I'll be happy to revisit that powder, in February when I have time to play with loads again.

  The Sierra bullets you mentioned are harder than the Speer boattails, no?

 
 
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They are some what harder...but still work well...especially staying within the 30-30's usable velocity range...The Speer's I used weren't consistent enough for me...and I never could get as good of accuracy with them...In my Topper...it had a tight throat on it...so I didn't have to crimp...but...if yours is on the loose side...crimping with a Lee factory crimp die might improve your results with the Reloader 7...Also...since your not shooting 300 yards + with it...the flat base bullets will work equally as well...if not better...it will also allow you to seat it out further in the case neck if needed...Also...you can get some wild swings using different primers...I used the Winchesters in that rifle...but have also used Remington's 9-1/2 in other 30-30's...I have also had some velocity swings between lot to lot on the Reloader 7 powder...but not as much as others have had...

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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2007, 09:32:24 AM »
Thanks Mac, I'll make notes and try the RE7 and some other bullets when the season's over.  According to Speer, the boattails are of lighter construction than their HotCor bullets, though I've killed a bunch of deer over the past 25 years with the 165 BTSP in my 18 1/2" Rem 788 in .308.  My thinking was that bullet construction may work well at 2400 fps or so-- but I'm definitely open to ideas.  Interesting that in emails about the .30-30, Speer urged me not to use any of their bullets on deer other than their 130/150/170 FN, and particularly singled out the 165 BTSP as not being suitable for those velocities.

Craig, the load is R-P brass, WLR primers, 36.0 3031, no crimp.  That's the max load IMR lists for 130 gr loads for the T/C Contender, and I use the same charge for 125 and 130 grain bullets.  I'd have to mic the loads to give you COAL, but with the abrupt ogive of the Hornadys I had to seat them a bit deeper than IMR spec to get the rounds to chamber in the NEF.  No pressure signs though.

 I'm not married to IMR powders, that's just where I found the most consistency with these bullets in my barrel.  Other powders tried included 748, AA2460, H335, Re7, IMR4064, and a couple others I can't recall at the moment.  I may have even tried BLC-2, but need to look at my notes.

  As much as I like to experiment with loads/bullets, it's hard to argue with what the 125 BT did this past weekend. 


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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2007, 12:54:07 PM »
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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2007, 05:42:59 PM »
Rick, Sounds like the Nosler bullets did the job for you which is all that counts IMHO. My 30-30 Topper load is a 130 grain Barnes XBT  bullet now since discontinued. No problem for me as I stocked up. I use this with a liberal amount of Winchester 748 with Remington 9 1/2M primers and WW or Rem cases that weigh around 130 grains on my scale. I achieve around 2600 fps (Shooting Chrony) with this loading and have no pressure signs.

I had also used this in a newer Handi at one time but had to use 3 full grains less powder than my Topper now uses. The difference in chamber and throat size in the older Topper seem to be the reason.

The 130 Barnes seems to work well in my cousins Handi as well. I use the 130 grain Hornady SSSP for my practise shooting, and the Barnes for my hunting. Good Shooting to you..............................

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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2007, 05:46:28 PM »
Heh heh heh...

 Craig, you give me more credit than I deserve.  Honestly, I didn't consciously lead the deer at all.  I'll hold up my hand and be the first to admit it may have been just luck that I hit the doe where I did, and she had to have been angling slightly away from me by the time I shot.

 Those are very interesting numbers, and that kind of thing is right up my alley.  Tell you the truth though, I'm glad I didn't know all that, else I'd have tried to compensate for it an probably would have missed altogether!  Nearly all the shots I've taken at deer in 35 years of hunting have been at deer that were either walking or still.  Given a choice, I'd much rather take that kind of shot.

 3 feet in 0.8 seconds, eh?  Wow!



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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2007, 06:10:15 PM »
On running shots, all ya have to do is follow thru with your swing, easy for shotgunners, but us rifle hunters have a problem doing that as we instinctively want to stop the movement when we pull the trigger. I never did much bird hunting until I got into muzzleloading and shooting clay birds with a blackpowder shotgun and subsequently with a flintlock fowler which really takes conscious effort due to the slow lock time, took me a long time to break the habit of stopping my swing on crossing shots, once I mastered the follow thru, piece of cake. It paid off a few years ago when I killed the biggest buck of my life, he jumped up about 50yds in front of me and quartered slightly away to my right on a run, made a perfect shot thru the shoulder with a .308 BLR just as he went out of sight, he piled up right there,  the shotgun work paid off. ;)

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Re: 125 Gr. Ballistic Tip in .30-30 Handi
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2007, 02:52:35 AM »
Tim,

 I used to shoot skeet fairly regularly MANY years ago (never was worth a flip at Trap, though), and maybe that's what kicked in and saved me, I just kept following the deer.  With a flintlock?  Good LORD, man!

 Carbineman, I'd considered the Barnes several times, but was just too cheap to break down and order some.  Looking back at my notes, the highest velocities I got before pressure signs with 150 grain bullets was with 748, you and Mac have got me itching to break out the powders and hit the range again.  Which I will do, in February!  Right now, it's time to HUNT.


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