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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2007, 03:08:38 AM »
at this point it would be interesting hear from charlesr,see if he sent it back ,more interesting
will be ruger's response.dan
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #61 on: December 14, 2007, 04:30:37 AM »
how do you determine if the cyl. was defective if you don't determine if the load was over pressure ?
the progression from cyl. to load seems reasonable .
other than flipping a coin we have little to engage in conversation about until the factory or lab runs test then we still may not know !
but if restricted to cyl. only - my wild azz guess is the cyl. could not contain the load placed in it , if this was the first shot or few shots maybe a bad cyl.
if not then we can't discuss it !
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #62 on: December 15, 2007, 04:33:38 PM »
Quote from: Lloyd Smale on November 30, 2007, 12:04:02 AM
charles like said i  doubt seriously if 14 gains of 231 is going to blow up a good ruger. If i told you some of the loads ive put in them in my younger dumber days your hair would stand up. Ive shot them loose but never blew one up. Im betting a dime to a dollar there was a problem with the metal in that gun. Wether you will ever get ruger to admit it is another thing. My guess is that if you send it in and dont admit to using handloads there just going to quitely send you a new gun and if you tell them you used handloads there going to wash there hands of you and blame it on that. In this day and age of everyone sueing everyone Ruger does not like blown up guns and especially doesnt like taking blame for one. So to be honest with you the quieter you deal with this the better the results will probably be for you. Seems like everytime a gun blows up people jump right in and claim double charge. Alot more guns are blown up by squib loads lodging bullets in the bore then are by double charges. You need to keep in mind that handguns are proffed at twice the standard industry pressure levels and especially in the case of a large framed ruger it takes alot to blow one up. Usually a restricted bore. My best advise to you would be to box up that gun with a short note on what happened and sent it to ruger without even a call ahead of time. Send it requireing a signature upon recipe and id about bet a dime to a dollar that you will have a new gun in a couple weeks.

Lloyd, I think the problem with Rugers is that everyone, now a days,  likes to over load them because of the extra metal in them?
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #63 on: December 17, 2007, 02:21:38 AM »
they have Ruger only sections in the loading books !
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #64 on: December 19, 2007, 03:52:56 PM »
Ruger has had the handgun for several days and acknowledged receiving it.  No further response yet.
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #65 on: January 16, 2008, 03:31:26 PM »
Ruger has replied.  Said the handgun needed to be replaced and that they would do so for a "little" money.  I agreed to do so and hope to have the new Blackhawk delivered soon.

Thanks for all the responses this mishap generated.  I have learned from the experience.
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #66 on: January 16, 2008, 05:37:11 PM »
Glad it worked out to your satisfaction.
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #67 on: January 17, 2008, 02:56:33 PM »
same here. dan
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2008, 07:31:06 AM »
Ruger has always seemed to go 'above and beyond' in their warranty dept.  Glad this came out well for you.  I am curious about what amount 'a little' money is?  44 Man
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2008, 10:53:18 AM »
I was reading an article about the new 4in. redhawk and the author stated Bill Ruger himself insisted the redhawk be strong so it could use max and a bit over max loads . not sure if its true but sounds good !
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2008, 07:55:23 PM »
A few months ago at the gun range the guy next to me blew up his Marlin 1895 45/70 using "light loads". Destroyed the gun, barrel split and severed at the receiver, each side of the barrel wrapped forward about 6" on each side, the magazine tube severed from the receiver, the right side of the receiver peeled back past the loading port and the for-stock went everywhere. I got pelted by walnut slivers and the shooter had a few minor scrapes.
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2008, 08:45:27 PM »
CharlesR:

It's time to hear the results of what you learned after pulling and weighing the left over loads.
I just got back on from a long layoff and read this whole post first thing.

I'd like to know what you learned from the loads.

Just because some of us have been loading since the 50's, me included sure don't mean we can't screw up. I've done it.

Just last week blew a break top open after the 4th loading of the same case I was testing to see how it looked after five and ten reloads one after another. fourth one broke the thinned down extractor on a NEF for a customized case made on the 5.7.

10.2 gr H110, to the bottom of the shoulder.

Only two other times I've had a problem.  Popped a primer: hot load 23r AA2200/55gr in .223 in a hot gun, 105 degree day and left the shell in the chamber about 15 minutes to cook.

The other time I was given some WWI '06, or possibly '03  240gr loads that had set in an open tobacco can in a unheated garage for many yrs. about the 20th shot it fizzed and stuck one in the bore about 3/4 the way up. I was just a kid then and didn't know better. I pulled the rest down and fresh primer and powder. End of the problem til the .223 deal about four yrs ago.

I ALWAYS use a flashlite to check the charge's, last step.  Had an a/hole "check my loading procedures" a few yrs ago. Purposely left some uncharged case's in the board to see if I'd catch them. Not only that, I just about 'caught up with him too!!!"

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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #72 on: January 23, 2008, 05:19:12 PM »
George,
Sorry, I haven't had time to pull those bullets yet.  Started working for a new company...started working with a Kimber 40 SW...traded pickups and have been working on the new truck...lifelong friend in the hospital in a coma for three weeks.

Will get back to you on this.
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #73 on: January 25, 2008, 08:25:21 PM »
Thank God no one was hurt...Let us know what Ruger means by a "little money." 
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #74 on: January 29, 2008, 05:08:39 AM »
Not so little really.  $250
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #75 on: January 29, 2008, 09:38:06 AM »
sounds like their cost for a new gun !
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #76 on: January 29, 2008, 08:51:32 PM »
I would like to see a picture.  I don't like the idea of charging an entire tray.  I would rather complete one round at a time and it doesn't take any longer.
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Re: Ruger Cylinder Ruptured
« Reply #77 on: January 30, 2008, 06:06:04 AM »
I like to charge the entire tray but then shine a light over the cases as any inconsistency's show up right now.
I have learned to Stop The Operation if anyone shows up to talk as I have found an entire row of empty cases when I thought I was done!

What I would really like to own would be one of the charge masters. This would almost be like having two people at the bench which would leave yourself free to seat & crimp!
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