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Offline Birddog 1

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Sabots in a 1/48 barrel
« on: December 15, 2007, 06:56:07 PM »
I cant ask this over in the traditional side there to quick to deleate it I have been FORCED into shooting sabots in a 1/48 twist TC Hawkens rifle if I want to hunt after June 1 I beleave, because I live In the V ban area in cent. kalifornia where All Lead bullets including lead RB & 22s will be banned so I have to shoot Barnes bullets period or until another company comes up with something else. What caliber would work the best in either    45,50 & 54 all hawkens all 1/48 out to 100yds? Or is  one caliber better then another ? TIA Nim
PS 06 dont deleat this because I mentioned TRADITIONAL & RBs hehe
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Re: Sabots in a 1/48 barrel
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2007, 11:24:58 PM »
Nim,

When shooting sabots the caliber of the bullet is less important than the fit of the sabot. A snug fitting sabot that is not too hard to push down will typically be more accurate than a looser fitting one that goes down easy, but not always. You can get sabots for both 50 and 54 cal guns that will work with most common smaller caliber bullets from .400 to .500(for the 54). The most common sizes will hold .429 or .451 bullets and there are a lot of bullet choices in both of those sizes. Since you are limited to non lead bullets and Barnes is the most common maker of all copper bullets you should look at what they offer. I have shot the 285gr Barnes in a couple of my 50 cal guns and they work very well, the 250's also shoot well. Give them a try and see what works best in your gun.

As for the 45cal, I don't have one but I imagine someone probably makes a copper bullet that is under .451 that could be used in a sabot, I just don't know who or what size. I do know there are 45cal sabots for a 40cal bullet available so if you can find a 40cal copper bullet you can buy the sabots in bulk.

Good luck in your search and don't worry about saying "traditional" on this forum, most guys over here are willing to discuss anything that relates to MLing.
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Re: Sabots in a 1/48 barrel
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2007, 01:45:07 AM »
I have a .50 cal Traditions with a 1-48 barrel and it shoots sabots very well, as long as you keep the bullet weight low. With the heavier (above 250 grain) bullets they keyholed and accuracy went out the window.

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Re: Sabots in a 1/48 barrel
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2007, 04:03:37 AM »
I don't have any hands on experience with Barnes bullets and sabots. They're very good from others i have talked to. I have shot  gn. sabots with a speer jsp 240 over a 70 grs. of Pyro P they shoot very well out of my 1:48 Grey hawk.
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Re: Sabots in a 1/48 barrel
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2007, 03:34:53 PM »
Force california to lift the ban by not buying a tag ;)

California has got to be the most worthless state in the US. Be nice to have a huge earth quake come along and break the entire state off from the US and put it out in the middle of the ocean.
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Re: Sabots in a 1/48 barrel
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2007, 04:27:37 PM »
How will they know what you have loaded in there? Shoot the lead & dont worry about it. Keep a few speed loaders with the cooper bullets on the stock for show. Mike
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Re: Sabots in a 1/48 barrel
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2007, 04:44:36 PM »
Quote from: mspaci on December 16, 2007, 04:27:37 PM
How will they know what you have loaded in there? Shoot the lead & dont worry about it. Keep a few speed loaders with the cooper bullets on the stock for show. Mike

Right... And when they take his gun, tag and his hunting rights away for a year  I think he'd be mighty mad at you for giving him dumb advice.

In Colorado, game wardens have been known  to stop and search the hunter for proper tags and have him pull the load.
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Re: Sabots in a 1/48 barrel
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2007, 05:59:47 PM »
Nim   

I have shot sabots in a 1/48 for years, both in a 50 and 54...

The only thing I have found is that I need to use heavier longer bullets for best accuracy.  I normally shot 300 grain Nosler partitions or 300 grain Speer Gold Dots... these bullets are bonded and I call them my "poorman's Nosler.

I use a MMP HPH-24 sabot and if you are forced to shoot an all copper Barnes (which is a very good bullet) you will need to get a Barnes that is not a "boattail" so you can swith out the sabots to a HPH-24.  The sabot that will come with the Barnes bullets will probably be to thick for most Hawken type guns.  Those sabots are comparable to a HPH-12 sabot for a .503/.504 bore.

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Re: Sabots in a 1/48 barrel
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2007, 06:06:49 PM »
Quote from: Nim on December 15, 2007, 06:56:07 PM
I cant ask this over in the traditional side there to quick to deleate it I have been FORCED into shooting sabots in a 1/48 twist TC Hawkens rifle if I want to hunt after June 1 I beleave, because I live In the V ban area in cent. kalifornia where All Lead bullets including lead RB & 22s will be banned so I have to shoot Barnes bullets period or until another company comes up with something else. What caliber would work the best in either    45,50 & 54 all hawkens all 1/48 out to 100yds? Or is  one caliber better then another ? TIA Nim
PS 06 dont deleat this because I mentioned TRADITIONAL & RBs hehe

Seeing how its a tc, why not order a Green Mountain barrel with 1:28 twist? Seems like the thing to do.
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Re: Sabots in a 1/48 barrel
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2007, 02:30:17 AM »
Quote from: sabotloader on December 16, 2007, 05:59:47 PM
Nim   

I have shot sabots in a 1/48 for years, both in a 50 and 54...

The only thing I have found is that I need to use heavier longer bullets for best accuracy.  I normally shot 300 grain Nosler partitions or 300 grain Speer Gold Dots... these bullets are bonded and I call them my "poorman's Nosler.

I use a MMP HPH-24 sabot and if you are forced to shoot an all copper Barnes (which is a very good bullet) you will need to get a Barnes that is not a "boattail" so you can swith out the sabots to a HPH-24.  The sabot that will come with the Barnes bullets will probably be to thick for most Hawken type guns.  Those sabots are comparable to a HPH-12 sabot for a .503/.504 bore.



Interesting, my experience has been the opposite.  I have to use pretty short bullets to keep accuracy in my 1:48" although the old 240gr Hornaday HTP was great. 

As the twist of rifling gets slower, it's harder to stabilize long bullets.  This is a primary reason why even with the ability to take a .50cal down to .357 with duplex sabots, we are limited to relatively inferior ballistic coefficient bullets...the overall length must be shorter than that for bullets used in centerfires of similar caliber and velocity.

I'd start with the lighter copper bullets, see how it goes.  As above, some shooters have had luck with heavier so don't despair until you've tried them both.
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