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.30-30 Bullet selection?
« on: December 26, 2007, 06:58:22 AM »
I'm about to start loading the .30-30 for the single shot Handi rifle and have questions about 2 bullets.  I wanted to use the 150 grain bullets since they would give me a few extra yards in range but others have said the .30-30 would not give the velocity necessary to expand those rounds.

The other is the 130 grain bullet that some have used for deer hunting.  Do these work for deer or would they fragment too early and act like a varmit round?

Are do I need to stick with the normal flatnose since they are designed for this velocity?

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Re: .30-30 Bullet selection?
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2007, 11:56:00 AM »
I don't have any first hand experience, but I have heard of a couple of guys using the 125 nosler bt.  I believe that it was designed as more of a varmint bullet but at the lower 30-30 velocities it performs well on deer sized game.  Obviously you would not want to use this bullet in a lever action.

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Re: .30-30 Bullet selection?
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2007, 12:04:31 PM »
Thanks for the reply Chris.  No, not in a lever action but only the single shot NEF.  I will have to try that.     John

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Re: .30-30 Bullet selection?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2007, 05:14:04 PM »
I don't have any first hand knowledge of the 30-30 loads in a Handi rifle, yet, but here's a link to an article by Chuck Hawks on the 30-30 that might be of interest to you:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/30-30Win.htm
There are also a few loads in the back of the Lyman 48th Edition for the 30-30 in the T/C Contender.

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Re: .30-30 Bullet selection?
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2007, 05:24:37 PM »
I shot .30-30 Handi for years and had excellent success with the 125 grain PSP from Remington, loaded near max.

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Re: .30-30 Bullet selection?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2007, 10:57:34 PM »
Hi All,

      I have a Bespoke (custom) bolt action in 30-30 and I use hot loads with the 130 Grain Hornady Spire Point or 125 grain Sierra both loaded to about 2800 fps and they have prooved effective on Deer and I cannot see why they would not be good on Whitetails.

     Back in 97 I think it was Petersen published an article in Rifle Shooter magazine about souping up the 30-30 in suitable rifles and loaded the cartridge to similar pressures to the .308. Working with their data for H335 pwder has given me superb accuracy and as yet no case failures. Due to magazine constraints I cannot use 150 grain spitzers as they need seatign too deep as the magazine was made to fit the factory Winchester 170 grain load and as yet I have not found an accurate recipe using 150 grain round nose bullets.

   No the Hornady 130 grain Spire Points at least do not fragment and I cannot see why the Sierra 125 grain ones would either. Good luck and have fun.


   Oh the cartridge was designed with limited pressures as that is what the rifle could safely handle. Modern cases are stronger than you think.

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Re: .30-30 Bullet selection?
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2007, 04:53:22 AM »
I would like to thank everyone for their replies.  I am not trying to hotrod or increase pressure in the .30-30 at all though.  I just thought without a magazine I could use a more efficient bullet shape to gain a few yards.  Those 125 and 130 grain bullets sound promising but I don't think the modest velocities could reliably expand the 150 grain spire points.  John

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Re: .30-30 Bullet selection?
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2007, 06:02:50 AM »

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I have only loaded for a lever action 30-30 and my to favorite bullets are the Hornady 150 gr. Round nose, and the 150-grain Remington C-L.  They provide deep penetration and a textbook mushroom.  They also provide good accuracy. 

The ballistic coefficient of the 150-grain Speer Flat point is 0.268.  The ballistic coefficient of the 150-grain Speer Mag-Tip is 0.301.  I compared them using my Sierra Ballistics program using the same muzzle velocity.  You gain about 35-yards using the Mag-Tip.  Speer recommends the 150-grain Mag-Tip for the .300 Savage because it operates at a lower velocity.  According to my Chrony 150-grain factory .300 Savage runs about 2450 fps.

“Speer's Mag-Tip fluted jacket and flat tip provide better expansion at velocities lower than many spitzers, yet its heavy jacket shank allows you to shoot these at very high velocities before bullet breakup occurs. These bullets also hold together better because the Hot-Cor process eliminates the lead oxide layer that's found between the core and jacket of conventional "cold core" bullets, thus reducing core slippage. This translates into a bullet that offers the deeper penetration and greater expansion needed for taking larger game.”
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Re: .30-30 Bullet selection?
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2007, 06:07:00 PM »
  Lots of great bullets out there specifically designed for the 30-30.

Sierra Pro Hunter 125gr FN Hollow Point
Sierra Pro Hunter 150gr FN
Sierra Pro Hunter 170gr FN
Speer Hot-Core 130gr FN
Speer Hot-Core 150gr FN
Speer Hot-Core 170gr FN
Winchester 150gr FN Power Point
Woodleigh  150gr FN Soft Point
Remington 150gr 30-30 Core-Lokt
Remington 170gr 30-30 Core-Lokt
Barnes Triple shock 150gr FN
Hornady Interlock 150gr RN
Hornady Interlock 170gr RN
Nosler Partition 170gr RN

  These are all FN or RN bullets.  They are designed to penetrate and expand at 30-30 velocities.  They all will do the job and do it well.  My favorite of this list are.
Hornady 150gr RN
Barnes 150 Triples Shock FN
Speer 130 and 150gr FN

  If you are looking for something in a plastic tip or SP type bullet give the 150gr Nosler Ballistic tip or the Hornady 150gr SST a try.  They will expand and penetrate at 30-30 velocities.

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Re: .30-30 Bullet selection?
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2007, 09:48:14 PM »
In addition to what has already been recommended I would like to point to the 130gr Barnes TSX as well. In the single shot you have it can be loaded to a very respectable velocity and will give you some added range as well. In talking with Barnes a while back about some reduced .308 loads for my grandson they said that I could expect at least double caliber expansion down to around 1700fps.

Also as mentioned the 150gr Nosler BT, and Hornady SSor even the 155gr AMAX at normal velocities will all open up down to around the same velocity as the Barnes will. This will be for at least a double caliber expansion.  So you would be talking a .308 bullet impact with it opening up to around or over .600" or so isn't bad as you will get the added sectional density which will give you more penetration. And yes the AMAX is primiarily designed as a competition bullet, but I have used them at the lower velocities for years in my daughters 6.5x55 with no problems. As long as the impact velocity is under 2500fps they expand reliably and penetrate very well in the lighter calibers.

Don't get in your mind that some of the 150gr bullets won't preform at the lower velocities, I shot a doe using 140gr Nosler BT@2250fps from a Contender chambered in 7x30 Waters and a 14" barrel. The shot was 283 yds using my laser, and entered behind the left shoulder and exited through the right shoulder pretty much destroying it and leaving close to a 2" exit hole. Everything from the initial hit to the exit was for the most part jello. I would have never thought it would have done that type of damage at that velocity had I not seen it first hand on that deer and several feral hogs afterwords.  The best thing you can do is load some up and try them out in several different mediums or at least run them through a line of water filled milk jugs or wet newspaper. At least then you have some idea of what to expect.

Right now I am working on a few loads for a 30-30AI for my Contender which is chambered in a 14" barrel as well. Initial testing with a few powders has been real promising. I have a couple of loads which ar hitting the 2250fps mark with the 150gr Noslers. Using a ballistics program this would give me an effective range of 250yds for deer with the remaining velocity being just over 1750fps and energy being 1036fp. Compared to the 140gr load from the 7x30 which was nearly identical only with around 100fps more velocity. This is only due to the difference in B.C.'s between the two bullets. Even with this however, your still going to have the added bullet weight to help out.

Not knowing what your barrel length is with the Handi I would say that you should at least be abel to reach if not exceed the 2300fps mark using 150gr bullets which would enable you to reach out to 200 yds with confidence on deer sized game.

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Re: .30-30 Bullet selection?
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2007, 02:43:02 AM »
[quote author=41 mag link=topic=133579.msg1098506670#msg1098506670 date=119883 Not knowing what your barrel length is with the Handi I would say that you should at least be abel to reach if not exceed the 2300fps mark using 150gr bullets which would enable you to reach out to 200 yds with confidence on deer sized game. [/quote]

The Handi barrel is 22 inches.