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Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« on: February 02, 2008, 11:08:28 AM »
I just went through and de primed and full length resized the rest of my brass. The problem is some of the brass won't chamber in my rifle. The brass I have is all once fired. The thing is some of it was fired out of my Handi rifle and I believe that is the brass that will not chamber in my Remington 700. Why and what can I do to fix the problem. Thanks for your help Dale.
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2008, 11:22:31 AM »
Maybe turn your sizer die in a 1/4 turn or so. Try one & see if it chambers
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2008, 11:38:35 AM »
The dimensions of your Handi are different then your Remington chamber.  This is even common with rifles from the same maker.  You need to treat the Handy fired brass as foreign and full length resize it.

My brother’s Model 760 could not chamber brass or reloadeds that had not been fully resized that had been fired in my Model 760.  Which was good because it kept him from shooting up my ammunition.
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2008, 11:45:53 AM »
I will try turning the die in another 1/4 turn to see if that does the trick. I will keep you posted.Thanks Dale
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2008, 11:56:58 AM »
It took a little more than a 1/4 turn but they do chamber now. Thanks Dale
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2008, 12:26:22 PM »
It took a little more than a 1/4 turn but they do chamber now. Thanks Dale
Check the trim length now. You may need to do some cutting.
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2008, 12:29:54 PM »
It took a little more than a 1/4 turn but they do chamber now. Thanks Dale
Check the trim length now. You may need to do some cutting.
I though that would be ok seeing as it is once fired brass. Thanks Dale
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2008, 12:38:55 PM »
you always have to check trim length no matter how many times it has been fired. resizing also stretches brass. as the chambers of the 2 guns is different if the brass is too long it could jam into the leade of the rifle and cause the pressures to spike dangerously of you could crush the case inside the rifle, both are very bad things. be sure. check the length and trim if neccessary.

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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2008, 02:10:03 PM »
It took a little more than a 1/4 turn but they do chamber now. Thanks Dale
Check the trim length now. You may need to do some cutting.
I though that would be ok seeing as it is once fired brass. Thanks Dale
All that brass that was moved (from resizing) has to go somewhere. :)
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2008, 02:15:27 PM »
Ok I will have to check it. I need to buy a set of calipers. I am just getting into this and am trying things out. I did manage to seat and crimp a bullet in a cartridge without any powder or primer. You could call it a dry run. The new cartridge does cycle through my rifle just fine. Thanks Dale
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2008, 04:38:04 PM »
It took a little more than a 1/4 turn but they do chamber now. Thanks Dale

I think that redding is the only die manufacture that I know of to explain this within the instructions that are provided with the dies.
They say [sic] If you are loading for more than on rifle of the same cal, get the die down on the shellholder with some cam-over
If you are loading for a single rifle, start backing it off from this position slowly while making sure that the brass will chamber.

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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2008, 05:45:15 PM »
Be sure to screw the die down to contact the shell holder when it is in the raised position.  Otherwise you are not full-length sizing your brass.  It may not be a problem with brass from the gun you are loading for, but could be a problem with "foreign" brass

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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2008, 05:49:02 PM »
Be sure to screw the die down to contact the shell holder when it is in the raised position.  Otherwise you are not full-length sizing your brass.  It may not be a problem with brass from the gun you are loading for, but could be a problem with "foreign" brass

Thanks I do believe that was my problem. Dale
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2008, 07:09:50 PM »
My 2 cents Dale
When you get a caliper get the hornady lock n load cartridge head space gauge set.
you could have measured each and found that (a) was??? that fit and (b ) was??? that did not fit.

also how much did you move by the 1/4 turn or little more ??? it fits??

with this tool set you can measure a fired round from your gun (a) and set your die to just bump the shoulder back
or measure a fired round for gun (b) and see that you would need to adjust your die to get this new spec etc.

this is a very handy tool set takes all the guess work out.
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2008, 04:12:12 AM »
My 2 cents Dale
When you get a caliper get the hornady lock n load cartridge head space gauge set.
you could have measured each and found that (a) was??? that fit and (b ) was??? that did not fit.

also how much did you move by the 1/4 turn or little more ??? it fits??

with this tool set you can measure a fired round from your gun (a) and set your die to just bump the shoulder back
or measure a fired round for gun (b) and see that you would need to adjust your die to get this new spec etc.

this is a very handy tool set takes all the guess work out.
you will not be disappointed.midsouth has these for 33.10 in my book.
Thanks I will keep that in mind. Dale
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2008, 06:38:39 AM »
Even tho your bullets may have a channelure, you probably don't need to crimp your bullets.  You can crimp some and not crimp others and see which give you the best accuracy.  Usually it will be the uncrimped ones.

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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2008, 01:38:19 PM »
I had the same problem with my 243 brass going from my Handi to my FIL's Rem 700.  The Remington chamber is much tighter than the Handi.

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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2008, 12:01:00 AM »
After you "full length" size your brass, you should be able to back the die off a little for the next firing and still be OK. Since you only have 1 243 now and it is a bolt action...You could get a Lee collet die and neck size only. This saves your brass undue stress and does a pretty good job of keeping the neck concentric.
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2008, 04:14:10 AM »
Dale,
Another way to keep this from being a problem, would be to use a differrent brand brass for each rifle. My Brotherinlaw and I used to do this when we were both shooting 300WMs. My brass wouldn't work in his but his worked in mine. I started loading plated brass for mine so we could tumble and reload without full lengthing each case.

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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2008, 04:17:42 AM »
I only have one 243 so that should not be a problem. I do plan on just neck sizing to extend brass life. Dale
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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2008, 04:31:10 AM »
The once fired and re-sized brass from my handy won't even chamber in it until it's trimmed.

I learned that one the hard way.

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Re: Some empty cases won't chamber why?
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2008, 04:36:57 PM »
I had problems with some cases stretching from resizing when I first started reloading. I switched to spray lube for lubing cases and make sure to hit the inside of the case necks on both sides from about a 45 deg. angle. Problem solved. Now I'm not saying that it can only be done with spray lube but you do need to lube the inside of the case neck otherwise the drag of the expander ball will stretch the case.

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