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McCain's speech before CPAC..
« on: February 07, 2008, 10:31:30 AM »
  I watched it closely, and mentally checked it off against the several key conservative issues that are most important to me..and I believe, most conservative voters.
  Although I do not agree completely with every action he has ever taken..McCain/Fiengold and Kennedy/McCain do stick in conservative's craws, but most things he
  endorsed in the speech were totally conservative values.

     A) Smaller government.
     B) Second amendment integrity.
     C) Unapologeticly pro=life.
     D) Will strive to eradicate "earmarks".
     E) Will WIN the war on terror.
     F) There's not a shred of a doubt that our sons & Daughters in the military..will be taken care of.
    G) He promised to confer with firmest conservatives before deciding upon the most important decisions.
    H) Cut taxes on corps. from 35% to 25%..to grow jobs and the economy.

    Yes, I know some will say, " those are just politician's promises."..but that is all we can get from any of them. Yes; we can look at his voting record..which is about as genuinely  conservative as any that are running..PLUS..he said very pointedly that under his watch we will not gut our intel agencies as was done in the 90s, thus inviting more 9/11 type attacks. 
   All in all, although he is not my favorite..(Duncan Hunter probably was)..in the fall; I will be required to choose..McCain vs Osama or Clinton.
   Is there ANY room at all for doubt where the conservative hunter/gun owner should cast his vote ?

   One thing we can take comfort in:

    All those very vocal Democrats that were John Kerry's backers in 2004..will now be forced by their own words to vote for John McCain.
   After all; they are the ones that insisted that in order to be considered for President, a candidate must not  only be a veteran..he/she MUST be a COMBAT veteran !
 
    So we can take comfort knowing some of the most outspoken Democrats will be voting for the second amendment friendly, and ONLY combat veteran in the race..the Republican, John McCain.

   Or were those Democrats lying again ?
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2008, 10:59:10 AM »
I hope that Romney has at least a half a brain and throws his support behind The Huck. ;D I know Huck isn't a flashiy candidate, but he IMO is the right person. Although any one is better than the Hildabeast  or Osama Obama!
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2008, 11:08:36 AM »
  I rather like the Huck also...
  I may be wrong..I have been before..but it's beginning to look like a McCain/Huckabee  vs  Hitlery/Osama or Osama/Hitlery..come fall.
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2008, 11:32:35 AM »
The Democrat scenario of Clinton/Obama or vice versa is spine chilling to quote Harry Reid re McCain.  I too watched his speach with much skepticism.  He did relate, though in no detail, that he would unfailingly support individual rights and freedoms.  That means the 2 nd Amendment too, I presume.  I know his arms position and votes from before but if he is to get elected, he'll have to compromise some of his liberal issues with more conservative attitude.  His speach today indicated he might be willing to do just that.  I know he's been a renegade to conservative issues in the past, but he'll need core conservative votes to get elected and those promises will be hard to break.  Our only salvation, and I'm assuming Huckabee will not be the nominee, will be that McCain will have more time than the Demo nominee for camaigning on the national level.  This is a good thing.  The bad thing may well be a Clinton/Obama ticket, either or, to counteract the time McCain has been nationally campaigning. 
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2008, 11:59:12 AM »
I don't think those two can bury the hatchet other than in each other's head well enough to both be on the same ticket. Obama wants the Governor of KS it seems and as close as she seems to be to him in the photo ops he might have her already.  :o I really have no clue what she would do for a running mate if nominated as she has full intentions of running the entire show and might not even feel a need for one after all she has Bill laying in wait.


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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2008, 12:25:11 PM »
 
   I believe Huckabee would be a good choice for McCain, mainly to bring back the South and Evangelicals.
   
   A question for the Southern gentlemen among us.. Would Huckabee help ? Would a Clinton/Osama ticket win anywhere in the South..outside of New Orleans and certain selected counties of mssissippi..?
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2008, 12:46:16 PM »
G.B.  I just dont believe that Hillery and osama are as upset with each other as they portray, I think both are capable of doing ANYTHING and saying, acting, etc. anything to get into the white house, I think its all a pony show at this point, watch and see how close they become as it gets closer.   JIM

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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2008, 01:04:51 PM »
I recommend some treatments to improve the memory. John McCain has been crapping on the Republican party for years, and now he wants Republicans to support him. That is not going to happen. This will be a huge landslide victory for whatever Democrat is the nominee. I don't think even a major scandal against the Democrats can slow it down, much less stop it. McCain is such an utterly unattractive candidate that he is simply wasting his time by running.

Just the McCain-Feingold Act disqualifies him from serious consideration as a candidate by anyone who understands the magnitude of what that monstrous law has done. I cannot think of anything worse done by any American politician in the past hundred years. To find something worse we'd probably have to look back to the late 1700s or early 1800s. If you do not understand why McCain-Feingold is so important to you, me, and everybody else in this country, then here is a summary: The government now actively controls when, where, and how you communicate about the government.  While you were worrying about your second amendment rights, your first amendment rights just got severely abridged by a Republican who is now running for president. It is not possible in our system of government to rape the people worse than this.

One bit of rhetoric about McCain you will hear much of is his history of "reaching across the aisle" to the Democrats. Fine. But name one benefit that has yielded to the Republican party or those of us aligned with that party through voting. This rhetoric is just code for selling out the party he represents.

McCain's acceptance as a candidate in so many states proves again, as if Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter weren't proof enough, that the American electorate simply does not do its homework when vetting candidates, and thereby gets candidates of such inferior quality that it is sometimes, as in this case, breathtaking.
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2008, 02:47:03 PM »
I recommend some treatments to improve the memory. John McCain has been crapping on the Republican party for years, and now he wants Republicans to support him. That is not going to happen. This will be a huge landslide victory for whatever Democrat is the nominee. I don't think even a major scandal against the Democrats can slow it down, much less stop it. McCain is such an utterly unattractive candidate that he is simply wasting his time by running.

Just the McCain-Feingold Act disqualifies him from serious consideration as a candidate by anyone who understands the magnitude of what that monstrous law has done. I cannot think of anything worse done by any American politician in the past hundred years. To find something worse we'd probably have to look back to the late 1700s or early 1800s. If you do not understand why McCain-Feingold is so important to you, me, and everybody else in this country, then here is a summary: The government now actively controls when, where, and how you communicate about the government.  While you were worrying about your second amendment rights, your first amendment rights just got severely abridged by a Republican who is now running for president. It is not possible in our system of government to rape the people worse than this.

One bit of rhetoric about McCain you will hear much of is his history of "reaching across the aisle" to the Democrats. Fine. But name one benefit that has yielded to the Republican party or those of us aligned with that party through voting. This rhetoric is just code for selling out the party he represents.

McCain's acceptance as a candidate in so many states proves again, as if Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter weren't proof enough, that the American electorate simply does not do its homework when vetting candidates, and thereby gets candidates of such inferior quality that it is sometimes, as in this case, breathtaking.

So that qualifies for a vote for the Democrats because the Republican candidate isn't what he seems.  If you honestly believe a Feingold/McCain alliance terrible, what do you call a Clinton/Feingold/Pelosi/Reid/Clinton/Obama alliance?  Good?  That will just mean more 1st Amendment restrictions and substantially more firearms restrictions.  Go figure!
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2008, 03:01:35 PM »
 McCain is far from ideal..but would the Hitlary/Osama ticket be better in the office ?
  Consider the several cogent points I enumerated above..read them and ask yourself,
   "How would the Democrats treat these same issues ?"

   Any hunter or gun owner that would vote for those two "gun-grabbers,
   or not vote for a 2nd amendment  protector, allowing the unholy pair to take office,
   is a gun owner with a death wish !
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2008, 03:18:37 PM »
I don't like McCain either, but his voting record is 80% conservative.  Yes, the McCain-Finegold bill, voting against the tax cuts, and for stem cell research are not good.  However, he is a stickler for curbing spending, and he wanted the tax cuts but only if there were spending cuts.  So we get an 80% conservative, but that is better than an 80% liberal.  It is bad we have to vote for the lesser of two evils.  I miss Ronnie. 

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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2008, 03:54:16 PM »
I recommend some treatments to improve the memory. John McCain has been crapping on the Republican party for years, and now he wants Republicans to support him. That is not going to happen. This will be a huge landslide victory for whatever Democrat is the nominee. I don't think even a major scandal against the Democrats can slow it down, much less stop it. McCain is such an utterly unattractive candidate that he is simply wasting his time by running.

Just the McCain-Feingold Act disqualifies him from serious consideration as a candidate by anyone who understands the magnitude of what that monstrous law has done. I cannot think of anything worse done by any American politician in the past hundred years. To find something worse we'd probably have to look back to the late 1700s or early 1800s. If you do not understand why McCain-Feingold is so important to you, me, and everybody else in this country, then here is a summary: The government now actively controls when, where, and how you communicate about the government.  While you were worrying about your second amendment rights, your first amendment rights just got severely abridged by a Republican who is now running for president. It is not possible in our system of government to rape the people worse than this.

One bit of rhetoric about McCain you will hear much of is his history of "reaching across the aisle" to the Democrats. Fine. But name one benefit that has yielded to the Republican party or those of us aligned with that party through voting. This rhetoric is just code for selling out the party he represents.

McCain's acceptance as a candidate in so many states proves again, as if Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter weren't proof enough, that the American electorate simply does not do its homework when vetting candidates, and thereby gets candidates of such inferior quality that it is sometimes, as in this case, breathtaking.

By the way, the McCain-Feingold Act does not limit the individual right to express himself under the 1st Amendment.  It limits "issue ads" by groups on both sides with unlimited contributions in attempts to influence the outcome of an election by either endorsing or criticizing a candidate without that candidates acknowledgement and without using the candidates campaign funds.  This was a loophole in campaign finance and disclosure laws previously enacted.  If one thinks this is the worst thing to come out of our government in over 100 years, there is something seriously wrong with our priorities.  I totally agree the vetting process for candidate selection by the American people in general is most deplorable.  There aren't issues at stake, there are party politics and platforms at stake.  Whether we lean more socialistic or moderate conservatistic.  True conservatism is rare in today's politics.  I hate to admit it, but IMO the 2 major parties currently are leaning more socialistic, while the nation remains extemely divided by those against it.  We have 2 concepts, not 2 party politics. 
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2008, 04:16:16 PM »
Deltecs:

I never mentioned any McCain/Feingold alliances, I wrote about the McCain-Feingold Act, a law. This law, the product of John McCain, abridges the bill of rights far more than the collective acts of the other people you mentioned.  It abridges the bill of rights far more than the gun control act of 1968.  As for the 80/20 rule hypothesized by someone else, well, if you are willing to permit such work as McCain-Feingold as part of the 20%, then this willingness is truly astonishing to me.  This act so deeply undermines our freedoms it is absolutely unbelievable.  It is of historic magnitude.

With this act, plus Kelo v. New London we have little to be optimistic about in the upcoming arguments before the Supreme Court concerning the second amendment.
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2008, 04:19:03 PM »
By the way, it would be interesting to know how McCain was received by CPAC, a group that has historically been very much at odds with McCain.
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2008, 04:22:43 PM »
Deltecs:
Sorry.  You are simply minimizing the effect of the act. Check the scholarly work on this act. It raises a lot of alarm. Particularly among "conservatives".
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2008, 03:05:40 AM »
If Duncan Hunter could be talked into running with McCain, it would help to tamp down the stink.
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2008, 03:41:29 AM »
By the way, it would be interesting to know how McCain was received by CPAC, a group that has historically been very much at odds with McCain.

I watched him and Romney's speech.

McCain got some jeers from the crowd, but was applauded on summarizing his speech.

I agree with IG on the shortlist provided in the first post.

Don't know if it was noticed by others that watched the CPAC, but when McCain stated his opinion on:  Right to Life - big applause; Iraq war and terrorism - big applause;  taxes - big applause; but his comment on preserving the 2nd amendment did not seem to get as much hoopla with the crowd.  Curious.

What I noticed about McCain was a certain tone of sincerity when he indicated that he was an imperfect servant, but a devoted servant nonetheless. FWIW.

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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2008, 05:34:29 AM »
While I'm not crazy about the idea of McCain being the Republican candidate I'll vote for him anyway.  When you think about it what other choice do we have?  A vote for any Democrat is inconceivable and a 3rd part candidate...well who do we have?  RP might become the third party, but that would be a vote on principal if you're going to vote that way - not that I would anyway.  At this point in time it's about preserving what we do have.  As crappy as that might seem the alternative is simply appalling. 

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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2008, 07:35:29 AM »
 Questor;
  As I noted in the last post..although McCain is far from the perfect candidate (if such a critter even exists), he is miles and miles ahead of anything the Democrats have to offer. Complaining about few differences is not constructive..so where do we go from here ?
   
   McCain did insist that his judicial appointees would be strict constitutionalists..and he spent several minutes exposing the tyrrany of appointing "activist" type judges,
  who will force through acts and programs the public wopuld never accept, given a free choice...

  So the main question :

   Will you be voting for the 85-87% conservative..or will you be voting  for the one (Osama) who is rated most liberal senator..or perhaps Clinton.. a mere  "whisker" less liberal.

    ..or will you stay away from the polls altogether, and let the gun-grabbing libs win....by default ?
       
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Re: McCain's speech before CPAC..
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2008, 08:04:10 AM »
The McCain-Feingold limited people like GOA, the NRA, and the Christian Coalition from donating to, or helping a candidate.  Most of the PAC's were republican oriented, because most Republican voters were small donors.  The Dem's have several super-rich who donate to them as individuals such as Bill Gates and George Soros.  Bill Gates just recently donated a lot of money to Obama, and George Soros has been donating to Klinton's campaign.  I don't know of any super rich Republicans any more.  Most are dead and their businesses are not as big and powerful anymore such as the Rockefeller's with Standard Oil, or Henry Ford.  Most big oil is now multi-national corporations and not owned by any one rich man, but thousands of stockholders.