I was once loading for two coworkers, one with a Model 70 in .270 and the other with an 1878 Springfield with open sights and a trigger pull from hell. Naturally, it was in .45-70. They decided to shoot at some oil cans about 100 yards off, shooting offhand. After the third round, the guy with the Model 70 got mad and put his gun in his car and went home. He was not able to even hit close enough to a can for the dirt and rocks to knock the can down. The guy with the Springfield hit each time he fired. Old ain't bad, or I ain't the Oldtimer!