Author Topic: Euro style (Read 1227 times)

cochise · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2008, 05:18:54 PM »

Oops. My text Vanished! I will try again. My first post here at GBO is inspired by a recent article in Shooting Times. The article in question was extolling the virtues of Remington's new triangular barreled varmint rifle with built in muzzle break. What a piece of Euro looking cr#p. All it needs is a lava lamp in the forend of the gunky injection molded stock. I wonder if all the merging of firearms manufacturers is causing these berretaish plasticy creations to be oozed onto the market. I hope rem's recent acquistion of marlin doesn't ruin the leverguns. PS I am happy to be a new member here and I will try to refrain from ranting in the future.

rex6666 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2008, 09:43:05 AM »

sounds like you will fit right in. WELCOME
Now you need to come up with some political views. ( on this thread)

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2008, 09:46:53 AM »

don't forget religion !

beemanbeme · « **Reply #4 on:** March 04, 2008, 01:25:18 PM »

Uh OH didn't Nonya buy one? He thinks it the cat's nuts

Graybeard · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2008, 06:37:43 PM »

Smilies and spell check don't mix well. Turn off spell check if you want to use smilies.

Beers · « **Reply #6 on:** March 05, 2008, 05:55:08 AM »

I suppose Remington isn't offering any of those beautiful, walnut stocked rifles with classic American styling anymore?

Just as you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, you shouldn't judge a rifle by it's looks. I love beautiful walnut stocks, and I prefer classic American styling. I own a 700 CDL, and a model 7 CDL, and they're beautiful, classy looking rifles and I love them. However, the toughest, most accurate gun I own, the one I grab the most when I'm headed into the deer woods is a homely, matte finished, synthetic stocked 700 SPS.

Whether you like them or not, many people on this site and others have taken home the 700 VTR and really like it. All that "euro looking cr#p" sells for a reason: it makes for very durable, consistently accurate, inexpensive rifles. They might not look like your fathers rifle, but I bet you don't worry about buying clothes that look just like he wore, or driving a car that looks like the one he drove...

I've never before heard someone condemn a gun maker because they had the audacity to offer a product they thought was ugly. It isn't as though one doesn't have plenty of options when buying a Remington. You don't care for the looks? Fine. Don't buy one. No one cares. People who do like them will buy them, and you'll still be able to buy the guns you like looks of.

rex6666 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 05, 2008, 10:38:42 AM »

well now Cochise if you are not going to answer that i will. I did not read where you codemed
a gun maker, only one gun, and i have heard plenty of people do that here and other places, that is why we live in America. You will learn, if you hang around that some people either just read what
they think you said or what they thought you were thinking.
Again WELCOME to GBO, this is a great place, with mostly great people.

Beers · « **Reply #8 on:** March 05, 2008, 11:55:52 AM »

It seemed when he was hoping aloud that "Rem's recent acquistion of marlin doesn't ruin the leverguns" he was knocking Remington as an arms maker... As though all they produced was plactic garbage...

I thought his little rant was kinda silly and wrong-headed. I said so and why. Sorry if that bothers you rex.

Guy Pike · « **Reply #9 on:** March 05, 2008, 12:14:13 PM »

Wow! I DO wear the same clothes as my Dad. And I wish I could have some of the cars he drove, and the knowledge that he didn't get to share, and the respect he commanded in the community, etc. What will be will be and if I have to have guns custom stocked and or barreled to get what I want I will do that. We live in an era where tradition and innovation clash mightily so expect every possible opinion and taste to be expressed. Fun ain't it?!!

MSP Ret · « **Reply #10 on:** March 06, 2008, 02:28:04 AM »

It sure is fun and they should send that euro crap back where it came from.

"I've never before heard someone condemn a gun maker because they had the audacity to offer a product they thought was ugly" - YOUR KIDDING ME!!! you don't read mach on GB's do you, what about all the rants (mine included) about the CVA's and even the Encores, looking like an off balance crooked and bent canoe paddle.

"All that "euro looking cr#p" sells for a reason." - Yes, many are sheep and not strong enough to have their own convictions let alone stand up for what is right, they are followers only, who think by buying such crap they will be leaders, no way that will ever happen...being led by a follower? Similar to the guy who always buys the newest and most expensive rifle, usually in the newest maga magnum caliber also. He is usually the guy that cannot shoot also, has the store bore sight the new super expensive scope but has never shot the rifle (possible euro styled rifle

). He thinks money, prestige and styling will make him a marksman or important in camp, you know, the clown everyone laughs at behind his back ..idiotic...

"What will be will be and if I have to have guns custom stocked and or barreled to get what I want I will do that. We live in an era where tradition and innovation clash mightily so expect every possible opinion and taste to be expressed. Fun ain't it?!!" - good for you!!!, spoken like a man who is confident in himself and knows what is real and what he likes, a real American!!! (and yes, it is fun!!!)

" What a piece of Euro looking cra#p. All it needs is a lava lamp in the forend of the gunky injection molded stock. I wonder if all the merging of firearms manufacturers is causing these berretaish plasticy creations to be oozed onto the market." - another man who says it like it is, congratulations!!!

and last but not least:

" PS I am happy to be a new member here and I will try to refrain from ranting in the future." -
Welcome aboard my friend, do not let some euro crap loving member try to intimidate or deter you, speak the truth, and speak it often. That goofy euro styling should be left to some plastic kids ray gun in the toy section, or better still, to be sure we do not not infect our youth with it, leave it for the Europeans.
This is a great site and I am happy you are here....<><....

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #11 on:** March 06, 2008, 02:43:36 AM »

what euro gun did they copy ?
i think fluted bbls look like axles out of trucks but if they make a gun shoot better go for it !

Beers · « **Reply #12 on:** March 06, 2008, 03:22:45 AM »

Ya know what MPS, I've enjoyed many of your posts in the past, you've been a very informative member of this site as long as I've been active on it.

But that last post seems kinda funny. Considering, ya know, I was kinda defending the VTR a little... by comparing it to to the SPS, which I own, because the stock is almost identical, the main difference is that it's green, and the barrel is triangular. Now, I know that you recently bought an SPS, so... when you say "Yes, many are sheep and not strong enough to have their own convictions let alone stand up for what is right, they are followers only, who think by buying such crap they will be leaders, no way that will ever happen...being led by a follower?"... Were you talking about your self or what?

"YOUR KIDDING ME!!! you don't read mach on GB's do you, what about all the rants (mine included) about the CVA's and even the Encores, looking like an off balance crooked and bent canoe paddle.".... I'm familiar with those rants, and I agree with them. The difference is that ALL of the CVA's and Encores look like that. But Remington makes PLENTY of other guns that don't look like what you guys apparently consider "euro looking cr#p"

rex6666 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 06, 2008, 04:19:38 AM »

Cochise
Now you see some folks don't think you have a right to your opinion.
You hang in their, some of these discusions can go on for pages.
I pesonally have never like Remmington at all,

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** March 06, 2008, 04:21:29 AM »

everyone has the right to their opinion no matter how wrong they are !

rex6666 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 06, 2008, 04:38:46 AM »

That is what it is all about

Beers · « **Reply #16 on:** March 06, 2008, 04:44:09 AM »

Quote from: rex6666 on March 06, 2008, 04:19:38 AM

Now you see some folks don't think you have a right to your opinion.

Some folks might, I'm not one of 'em. I think he has every right to his opinion. Just as I have every right to say what I think of said opinion. It just so happens that we don't agree. Not really that big a deal...

rex6666 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 06, 2008, 04:58:34 AM »

we have to take into consideration that we might say something to offend some one and scar
them for life.

then we might have people running around affraid to voice or even have an opinion, and that would be terrible

Ofcourse i don't think many of them will be any where near here.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** March 06, 2008, 05:05:49 AM »

Oh snap ! we are going PC !

cochise · « **Reply #19 on:** March 11, 2008, 03:26:00 PM »

hey guys, first i would like to thank everyone for the warm welcome.
I didn't set out to smear remington when i wrote this I just dont like the cheap flexible and ugly injection molded stocks and the features placed on firearms for looks vs function i think that the rifle should be all about launching lead reliably and accurately. they don't need to bring in mugatu from the fashion world to "designify" the rifles appearance ala the beretta storm. If remington wants to "improve their product" they should look at what AWC has done to the 700 action with their nomad package. I worry that with all the merging and huge conglomerates taking over the industry that more wierd queer looking designs will spring up in the marketplace. the fruits have already got a stranglehold on clothing design. it is nearly impossible to buy regular school clothes for your kids these days they all look like clowns and prostitutes. sorry i took so long to respond to your posts, the kids got a virus on my computer from downloading those stupid games. agggghhh!

Swampman · « **Reply #20 on:** March 11, 2008, 03:32:18 PM »

I really really like Remington, NEF, & Marlin products. I'm glad they are being produced by one company now.

torpedoman · « **Reply #21 on:** March 11, 2008, 04:19:54 PM »

I want to see how it shoots and how that shape affects harmonics It could be a good thing, looks may take a bit of getting used to but remember "ugly gals need loving too"

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #22 on:** March 12, 2008, 02:12:41 AM »

Is that PC ?

Beers · « **Reply #23 on:** March 12, 2008, 12:19:44 PM »

Quote from: cochise on March 11, 2008, 03:26:00 PM

I just dont like the cheap flexible and ugly injection molded stocks and the features placed on firearms for looks vs function

First, no one is putting synthetic stocks on rifles for their looks. I would bet that a poll would show that aesthetically speaking, classic walnut stocks are vastly preferred over synthetic. Second, synthetic stocks might be cheap and ugly, but they aren't flexible. Generally speaking, a quality synthetic stock offers a more stable, rigid platform than a walnut stock. Third, they ARE cheap! Considering the fact that all else being equal, a rifle with a synthetic stock is likely to be more accurate (if only slightly) than one stocked in wood, when you pay all that extra money for a nice walnut stock, what you're paying for is looks in favor of function.

Quote from: cochise on March 11, 2008, 03:26:00 PM

i think that the rifle should be all about launching lead reliably and accurately.

Then why in heck are you griping about a rifle's LOOKS after reading an article about how well it launches lead reliably and accurately!?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #24 on:** March 13, 2008, 03:26:01 AM »

BEERS , synthetic offers a better chance of accy. but not all syn. stocks are accurate . And many wood stocks can hold their own with the syn. stock .
The wood is quieter , less sting when cheeking it on a cold day .
alot is made of wood changing point of impact , in MOST cases this is a gradual change not as drastic as some claim . in most cases if you sight in at the hunting area you would be fine with either stock type .
As with guns in general most people choose a type and that's the best in their opinion from then on . While understandable its not very accurate with regard to facts .
two truths about guns exist first they display the finest mechanical and artistic skill man has to offer and second some manufactures have reduced some samples to the lowest form of junk produced by mankind .
That said my son has one of the 700's with the Greed stock ! the gun cost less than a good aftermarket stock so what do people expect ? That said its a 22-250 and will shoot under an inch ! Remington gets an A + from me , if you want more they have it but ya got to pay for it .

Beers · « **Reply #25 on:** March 13, 2008, 08:59:50 AM »

You're very right. That's why I used the words "generally", "quality" and "likely" in that statement. Just about any absolute statement a man can make is going to be wrong in some way, or under some circumstance.

30-06man · « **Reply #26 on:** March 13, 2008, 02:36:31 PM »

Quote from: cochise on March 11, 2008, 03:26:00 PM

hey guys, first i would like to thank everyone for the warm welcome.
I didn't set out to smear remington when i wrote this I just dont like the cheap flexible and ugly injection molded stocks and the features placed on firearms for looks vs function i think that the rifle should be all about launching lead reliably and accurately. they don't need to bring in mugatu from the fashion world to "designify" the rifles appearance ala the beretta storm. If remington wants to "improve their product" they should look at what AWC has done to the 700 action with their nomad package. I worry that with all the merging and huge conglomerates taking over the industry that more wierd queer looking designs will spring up in the marketplace. the fruits have already got a stranglehold on clothing design. it is nearly impossible to buy regular school clothes for your kids these days they all look like clowns and prostitutes. sorry i took so long to respond to your posts, the kids got a virus on my computer from downloading those stupid games. agggghhh!

Well welcome to GBO first of all. The VTR is a good gun, just check out the Remington Forums and how accurate this gun is with cheap ammo. Just Imagine hand loads. It looks like nothing like Euro syle guns. The Remington stocks are very nice and I am one who would like to see a Marlin 336 with synthetic stocks and possibly stainless for an all weather gun. Maybe a blued model too.

cochise · « **Reply #27 on:** March 14, 2008, 07:02:34 AM »

I am not opposed to quality synthetic stocks, but the sh*tty injection molded type suck especially on a rifle that is supposed to be a precision varmint or sniper weapon.The forends are way too flexible and the hollow butstock feels like a cheap bb gun. I am a Remington 700 fan but i despise the triangular barrel on this model that is obviously intended to look different and "modern". I will spread the love around by saying I also dislike the new TC with it's stupid butterknife bolt handle. the same goes for the recent winchester autos... yuck! If remington wanted to make a better varmint rifle they would make the bolt come standard with a badger ordnance style handle so it could be more easily manipulated. A winter size trigger guard would also be great on a rifle that will likely be used for coyote.

toysoldier · « **Reply #28 on:** March 15, 2008, 05:20:58 AM »

When I look to buy something, my first consideration is how it works. If, as Remington claims, the triangular barrel offers the best compromise of weight and accuracy, then that's a good thing. The synthetic stock (of conventional dimensions) should be stable and durable. Not having held one, I will reserve comment on the molded-in gripping surfaces. With the variation in hand size and arm length, these sort of things aren't likely to please everyone. The overall effect is, if anything, military, which seems to sell these days.
I suppose it boils down to whether your rifle is a tool or a status symbol. It's the same choice you have in many other aspects of life. A Toyota Corolla will get you from Point A to Point B reliably, comfortably, and economically, but some will buy a fire-engine-red 2008 Mustang. Blue jeans and a denim shirt from Wal-Mart will get you through your chores, but you can order your wardrobe from L.L.Bean. And you can marry an intelligent, decent-looking woman with sense and reason who will take care of you, or you can find a tophy wife with no brain and plastic boobs who will empty your bank account in a flash and leave you cold.
It's all about how much you rate style vs. function.