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Offline Questor

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Bullet notes on hog and sheep hunt: 44 mag and .308.
« on: March 23, 2008, 03:08:48 AM »
Questor Jr. and I went hog hunting this week and took a couple of nice eating size sows of around 200# each. He used his .308 rifle to very good effect and I used my 44 magnum revolver. This time I tried a jacketed bullet for handgun hunting on the theory that I might get a quicker kill, and also to try something new. The bullet was the 250 grain Nosler Partition in a 1300fps load.

I discovered that the performance of this bullet is the same as the performance of cast bullets, except that they don't penetrate as well. The Partitions cost about $45 per box of 50, the cast bullets cost about $32 per box of 500.

The partitions do definitely expand well and do more tissue damage, but on a hog it doesn't seem to have any improved effect. Either bullet punches a big hole that bleeds freely. And while the Nosler does expand, it does not have the same destructive effect that, say, a .308 rifle bullet has on tissue, nor does it have that killing power that just knocks the animal down. After a well placed lung shot for the first shot, I still took a neck shot to stop the running animal (because I didn't know for sure how hard it was hit with the first shot), and then fired another shot into the neck when it was down. This matches previous experience with cast bullets.

None of the bullets exited.

One important thing happened that has never happened before: I had a ringing in my ears for more than a day after firing these shots. I have never experienced ringing ears after using comparable loads with cast bullets after taking a hunting shot. I was not in a confined area. I think there may be something about the pressure dynamics of the jacketed bullet in the way sound escapes the cylinder gap. In any case, I am very concerned about this and will not be using bullets like this again without some hearing protection. I'll have to research ear plugs that are suitable for handgun hunting. (If you have suggestions I will really appreciate them!)

Questor Jr. took almost the identical shot with his .308 using the wonderful 150 grain Speer Hot Cor bullet that we like very much. The pig went down legs up and kicked a bit, then was still. The bullet exited. His load was the starting load for Varget which should give about 2650fps. This has been an excellent practice load for Q Jr. and he shoots it very well. He also took a mouflon ram on this trip and that animal too went down instantly, kicked a couple of times, and then was still. That bullet exited too. I like the load because it is effective, has very mild recoil even in his light Tikka rifle, and kills well without being overly destructive. Ballistics are good out to 200+ yards and could be used out to 300 with some hold-over.
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Re: Bullet notes on hog and sheep hunt: 44 mag and .308.
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2008, 03:43:50 AM »
I learned long ago that shooting magnum handguns without ear protection is likely to do damage to your ears. I hope it was not permanent damage to your ears but if the ringing lasted that long it is likely some permanent damage did occur. I have a permanent full time 24/7/365 ringing in my ears from a single day on the skeet range without proper hearing protection.

The only plugs of conventional type I'm aware of that will serve the purpose and allow reasonably normal hearing are the Norton Sonics. I use them for skeet shooting and they do a pretty good job. You'll lose some hearing perception with them but can hear normal conversation and most other sounds around you yet still be protected from hearing loss. There are many different electronic plugs/muffs on the market but cost with them is a big factor. They actually amplify your hearing ability yet shut down the louder sounds of gunfire. I don't think they are actually as protective of the ears as the Nortons are but do enhance your hearing rather than slightly impeding it while hunting.

The other main option is hoping you have time to put a good protective plug in before you fire which seems to work OK for me in stand hunting situations but not in still hunting situations where shots might come with little or no notice and have to be taken quickly.

To me the Norton Sonics are about the best real world option for a hunter if the hunt is not one that requires the absolute maximum hearing acuity from the hunter.

Where did you guys hunt this time?


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Re: Bullet notes on hog and sheep hunt: 44 mag and .308.
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2008, 04:11:26 AM »
  Glad you guys had a successful hunt. But NEVER compare results between a .308 and .44 mag. A .308 being a high powered rifle is just that, a high powered rifle. They are two WAY different classes. Anyone would be very hard pressed, and probably have very sore hands, to find a straight walled pistol cartridge comparible to a bottlenecked high powered rifle cartridge. Even with max handloads the difference is substantial. Remember an incident involving an LEO surviving 3 hits with a .44 mag who was fortunate enough to return fire with his service revolver and lived to talk about it. The officer received all thoracic cavity hits, no vest. Never read of anyone surviving even one thoracic cavity hit from a .308.

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Re: Bullet notes on hog and sheep hunt: 44 mag and .308.
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2008, 08:31:06 AM »
GB:

Thanks for the tip. I'll check into those. I always wear excellent hearing protection at the range, but thought I could get away with taking a few hunting shots every now and then without them. False! I feel pretty stupid now.

We went back to the same place in Iowa that I went to several years ago. It's a good outfit and they keep the costs reasonable.


Mohawk:

Amen. I didn't do a good job of stating that my intention was to contrast the 308 with the 44, not compare them. The point is that a good 44 with a premium bullet is no match for a 308. Yes, the animals die with either one, but those rifles just seem to do the job consistently quicker.

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Re: Bullet notes on hog and sheep hunt: 44 mag and .308.
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2008, 08:46:53 AM »
Questor, thanks for the very interesting comparison. ;)

Concerning hearing loss, shooting ANY unsuppressed firearm without hearing protection will cause hearing loss/damage, one shot at a time, even the diminutive 22Lr.  :'(

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Re: Bullet notes on hog and sheep hunt: 44 mag and .308.
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2008, 10:32:09 AM »
  I learned my lesson real quick. The first time I got in a hurry with customers on the range and forgot my hearing protection and they fired off a .50 AE in our indoor range, I never forgot them again........ I had a "hearing shield" according to the Doctor which is your body's way of warning you. When you can't hear very well for short periods of time after a loud noise. It went away after a couple of weeks but it made me always wear my hearing protection after that.