Author Topic: just wondering? (Read 2981 times)

TruNative · « **on:** April 08, 2004, 11:58:21 PM »

Just wondering if I can start an ignorant wasitchu forum?

Shorty · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2004, 03:59:07 PM »

TruNative,
Sure, go ahead. We're all open-minded here!
Seriously, I cringed when I first saw this forum, and have been just waiting for a (fully justified) reaction.
Perhaps you could suggest a more dignified title for the topic while preserving its essence. How about, "Native American folklore"? That should eliminate the "tricks" on how to keep ones socks from stinking! :wink:

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2004, 07:40:05 AM »

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Just wondering if I can start an ignorant wasitchu forum?

Sure. If you wish to purchase the Domain and pay to have someone host a site for you then you can set up anything you want just as I have here.

If you are complaining about the forum title take it elsewhere. I too am of Native American ancestry and see nothing wrong with it. I'm not the one who came up with the name. As recall our Moderator did and I'm pretty sure he too is of Native American ancestry. It's just a name and nothing more. Kind of a take off on the old Tap's Tips from Field and Stream Magazines of long ago, that's all this is. The name could have been anything. I just gave it the name the requestor asked for.

GB

TruNative · « **Reply #3 on:** April 10, 2004, 07:53:12 AM »

Why must it have anything to do with one's race? You can imagine my reaction when my eight year old son came to me and asked what an injun was. Do you have any advice on how I should have replied to that? I don't mean to be offensive since not all people on this forum are ignorant. Though I seriously question the moderator(s) of this website for letting such blatantly racist headings/titles appear on this forum when people of all ages and races can view this misinformation.

Swamp Fox · « **Reply #4 on:** April 10, 2004, 10:03:42 AM »

I think it's "get a grip" time.

When I first saw the title of this section I knew it was for clever fixes to the problems we all encounter.

I guess I don't understand why folks get so upset when a positive trait is assigned to a "minority."

BTW, I and my wife both have Indian blood.

azshooter · « **Reply #5 on:** April 11, 2004, 08:02:15 AM »

I have some advice for you - get over it. Tell your son the truth and that it came from the difficulty some country folks had with pronouncing "Indian" back in the 1800's.

Big Hext Finnigan · « **Reply #6 on:** April 11, 2004, 10:51:26 AM »

Quote from: TruNative

Why must it have anything to do with one's race? You can imagine my reaction when my eight year old son came to me and asked what an injun was. Do you have any advice on how I should have replied to that? I don't mean to be offensive since not all people on this forum are ignorant. Though I seriously question the moderator(s) of this website for letting such blatantly racist headings/titles appear on this forum when people of all ages and races can view this misinformation.

First, I think you are looking for offense and your 8 year old is a poor excuse. There are many words that he has heard that need explaining. If you aren't up to the task, then maybe you should seek some parenting advise.

Second, can you explain your screen name? Why be vague? Are you a Tru(e) native? What tribe and history? Nothing is more offensive, to me, than those who are not of the blood or life, who get themselves in a twist.

Third, it's called life and history. The Indians or Injuns, taught the early settlers a lot of tricks. Hence the name..

Adios,

TruNative · « **Reply #7 on:** April 11, 2004, 08:07:34 PM »

To: Graybeard

I "believe" that you are of Native American ancestry as your picture so accurately depicts. Furthermore, "Injun" is not just a name and cannot mean just anything. It is a racial slur. It is offensive. I have a hard time believing that you can say that in the same breath you claim your heritage from. If you truly believe that "Injun" is just a name then I suggest, Mr. President, that you go to the reservation nearest you and see what kind of reaction you get there. Then maybe you will learn the true meaning of the word. Also, judging by your need to explain "injun" to me--I think you are very aware that it is not "just a name."

To: Swamp Fox

I think it is "get a clue" time--there is nothing positive about the word injun, no matter how it is used. It's an insult, it is degrading, and disrespectful.

BTW, I was not referring to anyone or anything from India as that is where Indians are from. But I guess you already know that as you and your wife both have "Indian" blood.

To: Azshooter

I did tell my son the truth--that there are very ignorant people in this world, but apparently more so, on this forum. FYI--Injun was always meant to be offensive, it did not come from people with difficulty speaking. It is like calling an African-American the "N" word--it is a racial slur.

To: Big Hext Finnigan

First, I was not and am not looking for offense. I do not use my son as an excuse. My husband has a user name on this forum, and my son wanted to go online like his dad (they are both outdoorsmen). So while dad was at work we hopped online so my son could check this site out. Much to my dismay, my son was asking me what an injun was not long after I had left him on his way. I was really disappointed as I thought this would be a safe website for my son to go on and learn something worthwhile.

Second, I am a True Native from the Lakota & Ojibwa tribes (1/2 & 1/2)--AKA Sioux & Chippewa.

Third, I am well aware of my history and heritage. I know quite well that my people taught the early settlers a lot more than tricks. They taught them survival, but they sure weren't from India (hence the name).

To: Shorty

Thank you for your open-mindedness. Other than my husband (who is not of Native American descent) you are the only one who has supported my reaction to this atrocious indignity.

grizzy57 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 11, 2004, 11:24:56 PM »

Boy oh Boy!!! You guys are in it now.
Grizzy57 :lol:

Bob/FLA · « **Reply #9 on:** April 12, 2004, 12:09:04 AM »

Holy crap...get a life.

willis5 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 12, 2004, 06:51:17 AM »

Hey GB,
How about a bi*ch and complain forum? :-D

Shorty · « **Reply #11 on:** April 12, 2004, 02:24:40 PM »

Guys, guys, nobody ever called me a bleeding heart, PC, liberal, but I'm with TruNative on this one. Here, in Va., most of us have learned that one doesn't call Black people N... , and the local Natives are Mataponis or Pamunkeys, not Injuns. No apologies.

JeffG · « **Reply #12 on:** April 12, 2004, 03:02:05 PM »

Y'know how many Drunken Irishmen jokes I have heard over the years? I still think they are funny, I'm Irish, and my dad told most of them. There is a statement made in the movie"Dances with Wolves" I believe it refers to the fact that the invading settlers realized that the Native Americans, Indians if you will, were a superior intelligence race. That's why the phrase Indian Tricks was coined. I'm also Belgian...sorry, no old Belgian tricks out there!! I don't believe off hand, commonly used phrases are meant to diminish anyone's rightfully deserved cultural dignity. Peace.

Swamp Fox · « **Reply #13 on:** April 12, 2004, 04:07:35 PM »

Truenative,

I am not going to spend any more time on your racist, emotional baggage.

TruNative · « **Reply #14 on:** April 12, 2004, 06:48:04 PM »

JeffG

Thank you for the neutral response, but I think you missed my point. If someone wants to acknowledge or praise another's culture, I believe, that is a good thing. I am not offended by that. I am offended by the word used to recognize my culture in this particular forum. Also, the usage of the injun is not told in a joking matter from one Native to another. It is used in a way that should not be acceptable on this forum or any other. The heading is not phrases Native American Tricks or even Indian Tricks. It is Ol' Injun Tricks. That to me is offensive. I grew up on a reservation in northwestern Wisconsin. I competed in several national dance competitions all over the U.S. and Canada. I now live in Alaska which has the highest population of Natives in the U.S. As many Natives as I know and have met, I do not know one that would not be offended by this word.

Perhaps, now you can see if from my point of view? I thank you for your input.

JeffG · « **Reply #15 on:** April 13, 2004, 07:43:38 AM »

Yes, TruNative, I believe I can understand.

Graybeard · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2004, 08:53:50 AM »

The name stays. Get over it or find somewhere else to be. I just don't care if you find it offensive or not. I personally DO NOT. What I find offensive are bleeding hearts who wish to tell the rest of the world why we can't do what we want. This discussion is ended.

GB