Author Topic: Spanish artillery carriage (Read 1605 times)

EL Caz 66 · « **on:** May 13, 2008, 07:28:16 AM »

Does anyone know of a web site that has pictures of Spanish artillery carriages from the 1500's to about the 1700's. Looking for colors and styles used in these eras.

Thanks,
Ed

dan610324 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2008, 10:59:12 AM »

1500 I would say that its impossible to find any color evidence from , styles ?? go to the mary rose ship website .

www.maryrose.org/ship/guns1.htm

OK I know its an ship , but there are a few carriages there that clearly not are of naval origin , its 10 pages concerning the armourment of the ship . very interesting reading .

when it comes to 1600 and 1700 you find a lot of drawings at arkeliets website : www.arkeliet.net
go to : bildearkiv , there you just click on the book of your choice and you will find every page as an photo , all pages are able to be enlarged that you even can see if an fly have crap at the paper .

for anyone searching for european antique drawings on cannons and carriages this is the best site on the web . this are northern european drawings , but it was the same then as it is today , countries copied eachother and stole ideas and designs from eachother .
cant be sure but there would probably not be any big differences in design .

but when it comes to the spanish colors you should probably send an email to an spanish army or military museum . sorry but cant give you any addresses , try google .

cannonmn · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2008, 11:39:24 AM »

I've been looking into Spanish cannons for many years and haven't found much on carriages of the 16th and 17th Centuries. There are some 18th C. carriage drawings shown in the volume of plates accompanying Antonio De Morla's TRADATO DE ARTILLERIA... of 1816. I found an original at the Library of Congress and photographed all the plates but it is on my "other computer" at the office right now.

You should check Harold Peterson's ROUND SHOT AND RAMMERS since as I recall he has one or two early Spanish carriages sketched in it.

EL Caz 66 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 13, 2008, 01:12:52 PM »

Thanks for your insights..

Ed

Terry C. · « **Reply #4 on:** May 13, 2008, 01:17:59 PM »

I have a copy of RS&R. I'll check tonight and see if there's anything in there that might help you.

If I find anything, I'll let you know.

dan610324 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 13, 2008, 01:30:36 PM »

RS&R ?? whats that ?? where to find it ??

is an new or old book , please an short description of its content .

GGaskill · « **Reply #6 on:** May 13, 2008, 02:51:19 PM »

RS&R ?? whats that ?? where to find it ??

Round Shot and Rammers is an introductory book available from South Bend Replicas, a well-known producer of cast iron replica cannon. It covers artillery as used in the early to Civil War United States, even mentioning some Swedish guns.

Terry C. · « **Reply #7 on:** May 13, 2008, 04:32:59 PM »

PM sent...

EL Caz 66 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 13, 2008, 06:00:45 PM »

Terry,

PM right back ya!!

Thanks,
Ed

dan610324 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2008, 01:15:12 AM »

but how to order anything from SBR ??
they have no email address anywhere at their website .
what catalog do they refer to ??
cant find it anywhere

cannonmn · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2008, 02:22:56 AM »

Dan, you should also check book sites such as Amazon, Addall, etc. which will probably have copies available, perhaps the original hardback. Addall.com is one of my favorite sources since so many book sellers have their wares listed in one place.

Amazon currently shows 12 copies beginning at $11.00.

http://www.amazon.com/Round-Rammers-Harold-Leslie-Peterson/dp/0811715019/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210767818&sr=8-1

Double D · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2008, 02:57:53 AM »

www.abebooks.com also has .33 copies ranging from $15 up and lot in hard cover.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&tn=round+shot+and+rammers&x=78&y=12

cannonmn · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2008, 04:59:35 AM »

The best book I know of in the English language, regarding Spanish artillery is Brinckerhoff and Chamberlain's SPANISH MILITARY WEAPONS IN COLONIAL AMERICA 1700-1821, Stackpole, 1972. It reproduces several of the de Morla tube and carriage drawings, but the images are not nearly as large as the originals and lose details. These drawings seem to show every single part of each carriage. If you want me to post a couple of those drawings I photographed in the original work, pick one or two of these carriages:

mortar
6" howitzer
24 pr. siege gun
4 pr. field gun
garrison or fortress carriage, 24 pr.

EL Caz 66 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2008, 05:49:05 AM »

That would be great!

How about these two:

24pdr. siege gun & 4pdr. field gun

Thanks,
Ed

MikeR C · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2008, 07:43:50 AM »

I would vote for these two...

6" howitzer
garrison or fortress carriage, 24 pr.

Thx...

cannonmn · « **Reply #15 on:** May 14, 2008, 08:01:36 AM »

OK when I get to the computer where these are I'll put as many as I can here, with those first, come to think of it, won't take that much time or bandwidth.

cannonmn · « **Reply #16 on:** May 14, 2008, 10:28:49 AM »

Here's what I have so far. Unfortunately the titles of the plates are in the front of the book and I haven't found my picture of those pages yet, so you'll have to kind of guess what they are for now. I think they are all pretty much 18th C. items, since the book was done initially in 1803 using older drawings they had onhand, I think.

dan610324 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 14, 2008, 10:32:43 AM »

those are truly nice drawings

EL Caz 66 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 14, 2008, 10:59:16 AM »

cannonmn,

Sweet, thanks again...

Ed

GGaskill · « **Reply #19 on:** May 15, 2008, 06:21:33 PM »

what catalog do they refer to ??

This one. It is the first book in the list on the page.

They do not seem to have embraced the internet as a place to do business. Try ordinary snail mail.

cannonmn · « **Reply #20 on:** May 16, 2008, 12:13:12 AM »

The drawing photos above weren't properly adjusted and looked very grayish when I posted them. Photobucket has a feature where you can edit photos after uploading them, so I adjusted them all for correct lighting, I think they look a lot better now.