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Where is global warming?
« on: April 25, 2008, 07:00:17 AM »
Got up this morning to three inches of fresh snow on the deck, and it's snowing like mad.  Big fat flakes, the ones that pile up fast.  And yesterday I was running around in a short sleeve shirt comfortably, with temp in the 60s.  Our dirt roads were finally beginning to dry out, for the second time.  Looked in the paper and the weather service is forecasting the same for through next Tuesday.  Darn is summer never going to get here.  This is the latest snow I have ever seen here in the thirty seven years I have lived here.  North Pole is living up to it's name this year.  Just four weeks ago it was 52 below.
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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2008, 08:05:57 AM »
What is the coldest you have ever been in?

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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2008, 08:35:54 AM »
every spring.

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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2008, 09:27:21 AM »
52 below, below what, surly not the big o
man that is some kinda cold.
your weather people need to call the govr. of calafriuty, he said the other day that any one that
didn't believe in global warming was just on the wrong side.
It has been in the 70-80 range here in Texas this week, but supposed to back in the 60's Sunday.
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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2008, 10:56:59 AM »
Dunno about GLOBAL warming but danged if Alabama ain't warmed up nicely already. I'm sitting here with the AC running as it's just too danged hot even with all the windows open and fans a running. This is one of the earlier times of the year for us to have to turn on the AC I can recall. This is the third straight day of 80s temps for highs with 60s for lows and the house has just gotten too warm to stand without the AC in the afternoons.


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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2008, 11:26:52 AM »
Officially -78 degrees, February 1972.  That was the official temp across base at the weather station.  There at our building we were registering -80.  That is the coldest for me.  And yes that is below Zero.  But our summers are usually beautiful, warm (70s and 80s) and dry.  This has been one cold and wet spring.
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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2008, 12:54:12 PM »
The coldest I have ever been in is 21 below 0 with out wind chill. If you did not start your car every couple hours it would not start. I have to say that is down right cold. I hope to never be that cold again. Dale
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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2008, 12:54:59 PM »
I'm in Michigan, and it seems colder every year for me, the wife and I have serious thoughts of moving to warmer climate when it's time to retire.  I just can't take the cold anymore, when I was young I could be out in 12 degree weather with nothing but a flannel shirt and a down vest, now if it's 22 degrees I dress in extreme cold weather gear.  Can't take it anymore.  

I think what the deal is with global warming, if the temp raises a half a degree over a 100 years globally it's global warming, if it drops three times as much globally in a year, it's "climate change"...
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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2008, 03:29:07 PM »
My son just related on the phone that Anchorage broke weather record today for temps and snowfall.  8" of heavy wet snow in the last 12 hrs.  Where I live about 75 miles SE of Anchorage, we have rain and high winds for today.  Temp is 36 above.  Feels more like the low 20's with the chill factor.  Good day to stay in the house and reload.  Just finished 250 rds of .223 Rem with 55 FMJ.  Still have another 500 to go. 
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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2008, 03:49:54 PM »
If you have noticed the Libs want to call it "Global Climate Change" now, since the global warming deal is not going so well right now!
And by calling it "Global Climate Change" anything out of the ordinary can be blamed on "IT" & that is the fault of man.
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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2008, 04:35:40 PM »
In Delta Junction (Ft. Greely), AK we had snow as late as 8 June ('91 or '92).  There was also a freak storm in mid-July a just few years ago that dumped several inches of snow on the Richardson Hwy at Donnelly's Dome.  That same storm washed out the Denali Hwy and the AK RR in several places.  That was then.  It's been snowing steady in Houston all day, with almost 3" on the ground so far. 

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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2008, 04:19:32 AM »
Would that be Houston, Texas?
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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2008, 04:10:24 AM »
not hardly.  Houston, Alaska.  We ended up with 8" here.  Anchorage got 22" in places, a record for April.  Many down trees caused power outages.

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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2008, 04:26:34 AM »
Well, we had some of that there global warming stuff here for a while, yesterday.  It was down right uncomfortable.  Can you imagine being outdoors and not having to wear a jacket?  This extreme warming (in the seventies) has caused the trees to turn green and a bunch of other plants have popped out with bright colored things.  It's all just too much.  Algore is right; it's the end of the world.
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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2008, 06:10:08 AM »
We had some great snow in January, and February, but Global Warming set in March.  March normally produces some good storms and that did not happen.  We received less then an inch.  If April Showers bring May flowers, this May will be without flowers.  We have growing moisture defect of about five inches now, and it continues to increase as we enter May.  It is to late in the rain season to catch up now.  I find it interesting how winter turned-off this year.

http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html

What grass-weeds there are is starting to cure; there have been a few wildfires in the Northern California foothills already with the loss of a couple of buildings.  This morning news says there is a fire burning in the Angeles N.F.  Report says it has burned over 270 acres.  It is expected to burn a couple more days.  Smoke is visible from the Mt. Wilson Cam. (April 27, 2008) http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm

Edit 1715 hrs
Looks like they must have the fire hooked.  I cannot see smoke down there this evening.  Nasty handcrew country, with lots of rattlesnakes.  RH was low down there today with winds around 10-15 mph.

Edit 1100 hrs 4/28
Reading the reports fire is still progression up steep slopes.  A real grunt getting up there.  Check the map.
http://www.inciweb.org/incident/maps/full/1233/0/
 
Michigan has a fire that has burn around a 1,100 acres, the hope to get it controlled this evening,(This fire is two miles south of Grayling. Residences are threatened and evacuations are in effect. ) (4/27) Massachusetts Bureau of Forest Fire Control reports they have controlled a 700 acre fire.(This fire is five miles east of Leominster).

Looking at the Nation Wide wildland fire statistics for this day tells me that it is dry out there.  Looking at the Ten Year Averages there has been over 7,000 fewer fire starts, but 438,800 more acres have burned.

I just check an automated snow measuring station.  A couple of months ago it was showing 79-inches of snow.  Currently it is showing 0.07 inches.  In past years I have had to bust a couple of feet of snow to get into that area this time of year.

Many years ago I called my wife from Georgia late one April night.  It was 90° and I was wearing shorts.  My wife was not as cheery, she had just shoveled 200 feet of driveway, and the power was still out from the storm.  We had a real nice crop of grass and wildflowers that year.  This year the grass crop is so bad ranchers are putting cattle on irrigated pastures.  Some of them are trucking their cows out of State to put them on grass or selling them off.

Winter snows and rain flushes the toilet in August!
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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2008, 11:08:37 AM »
Alaska April 29th, 2008

Alaska:  Several inches of precipitation fell along the southern coastal regions of the state, with a few tenths of an inch reported over the southern D0 area.  But in areas of eastern Alaska where snowpack remained well below average, there was no change to the D0 designation.  The rest of the state remained free of drought or abnormally dry classification.


California

Water Supply


Today's May 1 snow survey measurement at Phillips along Highway 50 was just
11% of normal for this time of year.  May is the final measurement of the
season, ending what has been a dry year, and very dry spring.  Phillips is
in a sunny open spot, so it came in lower than most other medium to high
elevation locations.  Nonetheless, there are many factors negatively
impacting statewide water supply.  The sum total meteorological and
hydrologic conditions of the past 2 years paint a dry picture.  A set of
factors, tidbits, and data is included in today's newsletter that relate to
the low runoff projections DWR is making for this year.


Current Conditions May 1 '08, and comparisons to 1976-77

*            Incoming readings of snow water equivalents range from 60-80%
normal for May 1.
*            Statewide snowpack sensors estimate 67% of average for May 1,
2008.  The breakdown for regions is 88% Northern, 61% Central, and 60%
Southern.  These estimates are made using remote sensors.
*            The final snow survey course measurements of the season are
being conducted this week.  (Media survey for Phillips held Thursday, May
1).  Course measurements are more accurate than the sensors' estimates
above.
*            2008 has seen the driest March/April across the Northern
Sierra (8 Station*), with just 2.3" over 2 months.  March and April were
each the 6th driest of their respective months on record.  *See below.
*            We have lower total precipitation for the 8 Station* than last
year at this time. April 30, 2008 stands at 33.7" (75% to date, 67% of
normal water year). This is currently the 22nd driest out of 88 years of
record.  As of April 30, 2007 we had 34.4".  2007 ended with 37.3".
*            April 1 snowpack comparisons are normally recorded as the
"peak" of a year's snowpack.  April 1, 2008 had a roughly 100% of normal
reading. This compares to a 40% of average snowpack on April 1, 2007, and
25% in 1977.  This year's peak snowpack occurred in mid-March.

The runoff from snowmelt this year will be less than what you would expect
from the 'normal' (100%) April 1 snowpack.

*            While this was a normal snow year, it was not a normal
rainfall year. We are about at 75% of average, statewide for rainfall, and
75% of average for the 8 Station*. The low rainfall amounts are a factor in
total runoff.
*            It was dry last year ('06-'07), then we had a dry start
(October through December period was below normal). These antecedent
conditions also reduce projections.
*            Soil moisture is so low, that even less may be available for
runoff than other years with similar snowpack. Much may be absorbed into
the dry ground.  Soil moisture absorption is a difficult thing to model.
*            The cold storms that we did receive did not produce
rainfall-driven runoff mid-winter. They came mostly as snow due to La Nina
track which 'skips' the valleys and produces snow.  January and February
snow storms were productive, but are not sufficient.  Without that lower
elevation rain, and a lack of warmer, tropical type systems, this La Nina
winter meant lower total runoff.
*            March is normally a month of snowpack gain of 10%, but this
March was cold, dry. We retained enough to keep April 1 snowpack at 100%,
but we had lower thru-March runoff due to cold temperatures. Sublimation of
some snow is also likely to have occurred to some degree, taking snow from
solid straight to vapor under sunny skies.  These factors also contribute
to lower total runoff projections for the year.
*            As of April 22, the April-July runoff forecast for the state
ranges from 83% Kings River to 61% Tule River.  That compares to the
observed '76-'77 A-J runoff of about 25%.
*            DWR's April 1 hydrologic classification indices for this year
are DRY on Sacramento, and CRITICAL on the San Joaquin river system.**
Last year ended DRY on Sacramento and CRITICAL on San Joaquin.'75-'76 and
'76-'77 were each classified as CRITICAL for both river systems.***

Drought?

*            Factors in a large scale drought determination include
precipitation, deficiencies in water supply, below-normal streamflow,
depleted soil moisture, low groundwater, lake and reservoir levels.  These
ingredients have not yet combined to create an all out drought designation.
Some runoff related comparisons:
*            The 2-year streamflow period 2006-2008 (by estimating Oct. 1
projections for this year) for both the Sacramento and San Joaquin systems
will be close to the lowest 10% of 2-year periods of record. (SJQ just
below, SAC just above). 1-year, and 3-year runoff totals have not been
record setting.  However, if next year were very dry, severe drought would
be possible.
*            Statewide Reservoir storage is projected to fall to
approximately 65% of average by the end of September (it is currently close
to 80% of normal for this date). Oroville currently stands at 48% of
capacity, 58% of average for this time of year.  It's holding 1.7 million
acre feet (MAF) of water. A quick ballpark comparison shows the most recent
minimum at Oroville in December of 1990, when it was storing less than a
million acre feet (about 987,000).
*            This years' peak for snowpack occurred in mid-March.  We've
lost about 7-8MAF of water equivalence (HALF) since that time.  Not all has
shown up as runoff yet; hopefully it is only delayed, not lost.  If it's in
transit, it is in subsurface layers, and has not shown up yet.  It could be
lost to dry ground absorption, or, to a smaller degree to sublimation
(going directly from solid to vapor).

GOOD NEWS?

*            In comparison to the most recent drought period (late '80's,
early '90's), the hydrologic conditions of this 2 year period (2006-2008)
are projected to end 15-20% wetter, on average. The Sacramento River had
readings in the 9 MAF range for that time period, 1987-1992.  Last year
(2007) ended at 10.25MAF, this year is estimated to end at 11.3MAF (2 yr
average about 20% higher).  The San Joaquin had an average near 2.75MAF in
the late 80's, early 90's.  Last year was 2.5MAF, but this year was 3.8MAF
(2 year average about 15% higher).


*8 Station Index
*            8 locations for which DWR tracks total precip (rainfall and
snow).  These stations represent the "top" of the State Water Project.  The
8 Station Northern Sierra Index stations are: Mt. Shasta City, Shasta Dam,
Mineral, Brush Creek, Quincy, Sierraville, Pacific House, and Blue Canyon.
(Other California towns' and cities' weather data is maintained and
available through the National Weather Service - DWR records, charts, and
archives the 8 Station Precipitation Index, referred to as the "8
Station.")

**Next Runoff Forecast
             Following the snow surveys results of the next week, the most
updated (May 1) runoff estimates and hydrologic classification indices for
this year will be made available the week of May 5.  Official water year
types are based on May 1 forecasts.***

***Hydrologic classification year types: Wet, Above Normal, Below Normal,
Dry, and Critical.


Other regions
             Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto and Redding have all had their
driest March/April (2month) on record.
             Los Angeles (and much of Southern California) has had
significantly higher rainfall totals than last year.  LA now has over 10"
of rain for the season, with 2007 ending with only about 2" (25% or so -
driest ever).  Not a typical La Nina year.

Here is the official DWR press release, which includes the impacts of
pumping restrictions on state water supply:

http://www.water.ca.gov/news/


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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2008, 01:18:28 PM »
Things have been pretty wet here.  Things are more or less normal otherwise.

I know a fellow who has lived in AZ all his life and he is a believer in global warming/climate change.  Says things are not the same as they used to be.  Myself, I'm not too sure.

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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2008, 02:05:46 PM »
Some parts of the country are better off then others.  I have a feeling that my yard will go brown this year and my fishing hole will go dry with the water shipped to Southern California. 

http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/DM_south.htm
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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2008, 04:33:39 PM »
We are having the most rain so far this year in a long time, at least 25 years, I wish we could send you some water.
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Re: Where is global warming?
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2008, 05:59:37 PM »
What global warming? it is may and still below freezing every night.
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