I picked up some factory seconds in 30cal-200gr Accubonds from the Shooter's Pro Shop. I went out and shot them off a bench and got a group of .190. FIVE SHOTS. These bullets are very accurate out of my 300wsm in a Winchester Mdl 70 S.S. I loaded up the case with Vhit-N550 with 60grains. Very good powder, I Reccommend you guys try this load with the Accubonds. You can buy the seconds from the Shooter's Pro Shop on the web at[url]http://www.shootersproshop.com or you can give them a call at (541) 312-2506. There website is still in the process of perfection