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Re: My new cannon, and my mistake
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2008, 07:29:33 AM »
Thank you all for your patience.

It is true that my products have no support to help customers, but we regret this situation.  :'(
My before seller  have the obligation to provide reliable support.  >:(
I time to help everyone, I hope.
Here send the link from my site youtube, there to see the videos. Coming soon in English. ;D

http://es.youtube.com/osvaldogatto

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Re: My new cannon, and my mistake
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2008, 12:03:52 PM »
I do not want this to seem like I am picking on you or your products,
but after watching your videos I have some recommendations
If the United States is a market you wish to improve, when you translate your videos
I would omit the use of the brass powder charger, I doubt that anyone here would
use loose powder in this way. second for safety reasons we do not use paper cartridges,
aluminum foil may not be traditional but it adds to the safe loading of one's cannon,
a spark can not set off the charge as easily as in paper. last but not least your steel or iron
powder measure is something that can spark. If it would be made of brass, copper or aluminum
they would be safer.

Here are some links to the safety rules we look to when shooting cannons.

http://www.americanartillery.org/aaa/marty.html

http://www.n-ssa.org/NATIONAL/RULES/Rules1-2006.pdf

http://www.n-ssa.org/NATIONAL/RULES/Rules1-2006.pdf

I hope this helps,

Allen <><
Mr president I do not cling to either my gun or my Bible.... my gun is holstered on my side so I may carry my Bible and quote from it!

Sed tamen sal petrae LURO VOPO CAN UTRIET sulphuris; et sic facies tonituum et coruscationem si scias artficium

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Re: My new cannon, and my mistake
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2008, 12:13:18 PM »
it would also be nice if you would like to answer my questions also
Dan Pettersson
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Re: My new cannon, and my mistake
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2008, 12:31:29 PM »
Thank you Allen   :)

Please read well and see good to the videos.
No doubt what you say is true of the traditional role, in the History does not know Aluminum. But now be safer with aluminum. Good data.
You can see that video the pipe never touching the tube cannon. Just use the pipe to calculate the measure of Black powder, then assemble the cartridge or placed in bronze spoon to put into the tube. Watch this.

Lord Steel is Steel and Iron is Iron.

My cannons have Steel SAE 1045, seek tables compare nomenclature if don't know the quality.
Before explaining that this steel is like that of swords or knifes. It is not easy to break. OK?   ;)
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Re: My new cannon, and my mistake
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2008, 01:12:37 PM »
Osvaldo,

Is your steel barrel liner seamless tubing? (¿Está su barril de línea de acero sin fisuras tubo?)


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Re: My new cannon, and my mistake
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2008, 06:29:10 AM »
My cannon is constructed with welded tube, is not a pipe made from a solid drilled .Es difficult to write technical data with automatic translator, try to understand, please.
The tube has a very resistant welding.
This tube is not common pipe, is steel, but is not a hole in solid.
The tube here call "tube with sewing"
It's resistant because I have melt the brass around, has no way of opening the tube with the pressure. (in normal use)

I mean besides, the cannons normals firing ammunition of iron or lead. My models cannon pull this class of ammunition.

The mortars and Mountain Howitzer firing ammunition not lead or iron compact Never.
These hollow interior and this ammunition be filled with Black Powder. This will make the ammunition be lighter.
If you use heavy ammunition, then break the wood rather than break the tube.
This  is knowledge considered user error, is not error built.   ;D
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Re: My new cannon, and my mistake
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2008, 01:04:16 PM »
Oswaldo,

Seamless tubing is preferred for cannons. 
Tubos sin fisuras se prefiere para los cañones.

Welded seam tubing is strong.
Costura soldada tubo es fuerte.

It has been found that welded seam tube has micro porosity and micro occlusions. 
Se ha encontrado que las uniones soldadas ha tubo micro porosidad y micro oclusiones.

Over a period of time the micro porosity and micro occlusiones can corrode and weaken the seam. 
Durante un período de tiempo que el micro y micro porosidad occlusiones puede corroer y debilitar la costura.

This welded seam is similiar to welded seam of damascus gun barrels which have a long history of failure. 
Esta costura soldada es similar a la costura soldada de damasco pistola de barriles que tienen una larga historia de fracaso.

There is also a history of failure of welded seam tubing in cannons.
Hay también una historia de fracaso de la costura soldada a los tubos cañones.

This does not mean every welded seam tubing lined barrel will fail. 
Esto no significa que todos los tubos de costura soldada rayado barril fracasará.

It simply means the odds are higher that it will fail compared to a seamless tube. 
Significa simplemente las probabilidades son más altas que fallará en comparación con un tubo sin soldadura.

It is just safer to use seamless tubing. 
Es sólo más seguro de usar tubos sin fisuras.

The North South Skirmish Association (N-SSA) mandates in their rules that liners must be of seamless tubing:
El Sur del Norte Escaramuza Asociación (N-SSA) mandatos en sus reglas que debe ser la línea de tubos sin fisuras:

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All reproduction barrels and those original barrels failing inspection must be lined with a bore liner of extruded seamless steel tubing of a minimum ANSI standard and of a minimum 3/8-inch wall thickness.

Toda la reproducción de barriles y los originales de barriles de inspección no debe estar rayado con un agujero de línea de extrusión de tubos de acero sin fisuras de un mínimo estándar ANSI y un mínimo de 3/8-inch grosor de la pared.

This is a link to the N-SSA rules.
Se trata de un enlace con la N-SSA normas.

 http://www.n-ssa.org/NATIONAL/RULES/Rules1-2006.pdf



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Re: My new cannon, and my mistake
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2008, 02:06:08 PM »
Your feedback is very valuable for us, Thanks.

Of course seamless tube is better.
We use that class of tube that all pistols and muskets manufactured.

The walls of Brass having my cannons around is very sufficient to withstand gunfire.

The Brass melt around, then seamlessly.

I insist, if instead of steel tube with cleft, have more brass, the wall still be less resistant.

You can not build a weapon  with welded seam, that's why I use only for inside wall.

My history proves it, no cannon explode.

I understand their rules, I making cannons much more costly for that event. But do not know if being a business for you.

We will be very grateful to the comments of all of you.

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Re: My new cannon, and my mistake
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2008, 02:50:31 PM »
Osvaldo,

The issue isn't the strength of seamless tubing.
La cuestión no es la fuerza de tubos sin fisuras.

The issue is the danger  of corrosion of the welded seam over a period of time.
La cuestión es el peligro de corrosión de la costura soldada en un período de tiempo.

It is well documented in the U.S. that this seam can and will fail due to corrosion within the occlusions of the seam.
Está bien documentado en los EE.UU. que esta costura y se puede fallar debido a la corrosión dentro de las oclusiones de la costura.

That is why seamed liners are banned by N-SSA.
Esa es la razón por la línea seamed están prohibidos por la N-SSA.

You sell a well made product at a reasonable price.
Usted vende un producto hecho a un precio razonable.

As long as you sell your cannon with a seamed tube liner, knowledgable people in the U.S. are not going to buy your barrel.
Mientras que vende en su cañón con un tubo de línea seamed, conocimiento de personas en los EE.UU. no van a comprar su barril.

Es verdad!

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Re: My new cannon, and my mistake
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2008, 05:25:46 AM »
Double D Thanks for the information.

Since 5 years, my only contact in the U.S. was the seller earlier.
This is the first time that I hear clients and the existence of the N-SSA.
Anyway, I sell 1800 cannons in all this time.
I intended to improve my product.
In addition, you can see that I have nothing to hide.
My intention is not to sell more lying.
I suffer much by bad dealings with the salesperson, which is why I have to start again.

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Re: My new cannon, and my mistake
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2008, 06:56:07 AM »
Hello Gatto!  If you intend to market your products under you name or a version of it, "Gatto" as a word doen't have any particular meaning for us here.  Maybe you want to continue to use your own name, and if so that is of course your choice, it should not hurt a thing.  However, I've done some "marketing" in my business and a trade name is important.

I think if you "sexed up" your trade name you'd get much more visibility.

How 'bout "Ghetto Gunmaker?" :D

That would be sure to attract attention! You'd find out soon enough if it was the kind of attention you want, but sometimes we say "No publicity is bad publicity."

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Re: My new cannon, and my mistake
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2008, 07:18:34 AM »
Your feedback is very comical.
Of course it is important that a good name.
My name is Gatto and what I have from birth.
My name is of Italian origin and mean "Cat"

USA is not my only market, is very common that the Americans think that being alone in the world.
I know many brands that say nothing but make famous anyway.
Beretta, Davide Pedersolli?
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Re: My new cannon, and my mistake
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2008, 12:11:58 PM »
Im no PR specialist but I would say that you should keep your name ,
OG or OSWALDO GATTO .
you have been working a while to get your name known .
Dan Pettersson
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better safe than sorry