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Offline GRIMJIM

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Nazi Nagant
« on: May 07, 2008, 12:05:20 PM »
A friend at work says he has a couple of nagants that have nazi stamps on them. Are they german captured rifles? He's going to bring one in so I can look at it.
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Re: Nazi Nagant
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2008, 12:20:25 PM »
probably MADE by germans, my research into nagants shows that the germans made a lot for themselves.

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Re: Nazi Nagant
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 01:40:24 AM »
What ?? They got swastika's on them??
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Re: Nazi Nagant
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 05:19:35 AM »
I'd be really interested in pics and info on these.
I've never heard that before.  German Mosin models would have come in very handy for them at Stalingrad.

What caliber?  Seems unlikely that they would use 7.62x54 and have to provide another type  of ammo

This could get interesting  :)
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Re: Nazi Nagant
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 06:25:49 AM »
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Re: Nazi Nagant
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 10:14:50 AM »
Communist East Germany yes, but I think the original post referred to Nazi markings.
I think we need pics!
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Re: Nazi Nagant
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2008, 01:31:19 PM »
That may be a mistake, he said german markings, but I believe his father was in ww2. I still haven't seen them. I'll ask if it's okay to put some pics up here when I do.
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Re: Nazi Nagant
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2008, 04:35:24 AM »
The Nazi government did put swastika acceptance marks on captured weapons that were captured and issued to second line troops and loyal native troops.  It is possible that some Mosins would be so marked, but the number of 44's so marked would have been very low, as the Germans were in retreat in the east at that time.
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Re: Nazi Nagant
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2008, 11:15:53 AM »
I talked to him today and it does have a small nazi stamp on the stock. I still haven't seen it, he keeps forgetting to bring it in.
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Re: Nazi Nagant
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2008, 03:05:24 AM »
 Just a note from an American Grandson of Finnish immigrants...

 Finn soldiers during WWII were often armed with captured Russian Mosin Nagant rifles. Finland was alligned with Nazi Germany in a 'friendship of convenience' against the Russians during that era.

 Although I've never heard of any of these Finnish armoury refurbished rifles being encountered with Nazi cartouches , I wouldn't be surprised if some were stamped as such.
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Re: Nazi Nagant
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2008, 03:06:06 AM »
He brought the rifles in the other day. I was appalled. I think he stored them in a crawl space. All beat up and covered with rust. Surprisingly the actions were tight once I got them apart and cleaned up a little. One was a Russian mosin, had the star with the arrow I forget which arsenal that is. The other I think was french, said fabric armes d' etat or something like that. That one had so much crud in the barrel you couldn't even see through it. I showed him how to rub them down with steel wool and oil. I don't have that kind of time. I haven't run a brush down the barrels yet but looking in them it doesn't look good.

He asked me if he could shoot them. I told him that they were tight and solid and after I get the bores scrubbed out they would fire but don't expect any kind of accuracy and they will be a bear to clean with all the pitting I'm sure is in there.

He also asked me if they were worth anything, I told him no as they were pretty much trashed from poor storage.

As for the nazi markings, I didn't see anything. Maybe he was bsing me but he said he has one more rifle at a friends house and maybe that was the one with the stamp. He knows nothing about firearms at all and for all I know that one is a mauser and not a nagant at all.
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Re: Nazi Nagant
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2008, 04:22:56 AM »
Grimjim, a man in the area had a musical instrument that he thought was German, but he could not read what was written on it.  Went I went to look at it, I found it was actually written in Russian, with Cyrillic characters.  From the description of the guns, when you finally got to see them, your friend was probably getting his information second hand.  I would not be surprised to find out that the Russian acceptance mark was mistaken for a swastika.  Let us hope that the crud in the bore is dried cosmolene.  I hate to see an old gun that has been so abused that it can't be fired.  If the bore is salvageable, then you can watch the guy's face as you explain the backflips that he will have to go through to find ammo to fire in the French rifle. 
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