10th Amendment - State Sovereignty

[teamnelson]

I was trying to find the topic someone else started on this subject but gave up, so I apologize for starting a new one. However, my son is crafting a bill to propose at TeenPact this year (conservative week long experience where they serve as the legislature for the state, introduce and debate bills, learn the process, etc.) for reasserting state sovereignty as per the 10th Amendment.

There are 24 total states considering or reviewing legislation regarding state sovereignty. The following states are reviewing current bills with regards to state sovereignty; I put some links here that hopefully give you the text of their various bills:
 
Arizona: http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm
Arkansas: http://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/assembly/2009/R/Pages/BillInformation.aspx?measureno=HCR1011
California: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/93-94/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sjr_44_bill_940829_chaptered
Georgia: http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1995_96/leg/fulltext/sr308.htm
Michigan: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(wn1rpuqkwkzle145cc3xui55))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=2009-HCR-0004
Minnesota: https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0997.0.html&session=ls86
Missouri: http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HR212.HTM
Montana: http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm
New Hampshire: http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html
Oklahoma: http://www.ok-safe.com/files/documents/1/HJR1089_int.pdf
South Carolina: http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/02/17/south-carolina-and-state-sovereignty/
Tennessee: http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/02/19/tennessee-sovereignty-resolution/
Texas: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/81R/billtext/html/HC00050I.htm
Washington: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009
 
The following states are currently crafting bills on the same issue which have not been introduced to their state legistlatures yet:
Alabama
Alaska
Colorado
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Maine
Nevada
Pennsylvania
 
Hawaii is just seeking complete sovereignty from the US.
Hawaii http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/07-1372.htm

[rparsons934]

hawaii are problaby the smart ones.

[Graybeard]

hawaii are problaby the smart ones.

I never understood why they wanted to be a state in the first place nor why we accepted them as one being as how they are so far removed from the rest of the country. Makes no sense at all to me for them to be a state.

[Westbound]

“While the ramifications of these resolutions are still uncertain, one thing is clear,” writes Barbara Minton. “People are sick and tired of the federal government’s usurpation of power not granted to it by the Constitution. They have had enough of fear based economic terrorism and underhanded promotion of policies and procedures that bypass public scrutiny and the will of the people.”

It should be noted that a resolution is a statement and not law and does not necessarily represent a consensus of a state legislature. “Still, the fact that two states, California and Georgia, have already passed their versions of state sovereignty may be setting the stage for secession down the road if the federal government continues to show its scorn for the Constitution. The Oklahoma resolution has already passed in the House and is awaiting vote in the state Senate to be codified,” writes Minton.

Taken fron Infowars.com
http://www.infowars.com/texas-representatives-introduce-resolution-asserting-sovereignty-under-tenth-amendment/

[Troyboy]

Smoke and Mirrors. The states want federal money and the only way to get that is to tow the line. Think what you will but those are the facts

[teamnelson]

Troyboy, I agree with you in spirit. The states cannot imagine operating without federal support ($) and lack the will to even try. Some (Texas, South Carolina) may cling to a heritage of independence and so may take a hearty go at it, but they too are packed to the borders with people who could not survive without an entitlement. Its too deeply engrained in our American culture - present company excluded perhaps - that we rely on the Federal government.

I hear that even with a well placed shot at under 100 yds. with 500 gr. lead, a Cape Buffalo will die trying to kill the shooter, and succeeds from time to time. On pure adrenaline, he will stomp everything he sees. On the other hand you can walk up behind a Jersey cow, talking soothingly to her, put 40gr of 22 behind her ear and she drops like a seabag full of cinder blocks. The Constitution was written to protect a Cape Buffalo, not a Jersey cow.

[gypsyman]

I imagine some state's are in the position that they need federal dollars. I wonder how many of them would be better off just keeping what they have. Back in the mid '70's, the fed's tried to blackmail Ohio into passing the helmet law. Ohio figured out, they were sending in more than they got back. So, basically, they told the fed's to go take a hike. We'll keep what we have, and don't want any from you. They backed off real quick. Just wonder how much money travels thru state hands, before the fed's get it.  gypsyman

[bigMikeA]

Been a member here for quite a spell but this will be my first post since I truly feel this is something that has the potential to be very BIG.

Yes, all the states are at the Federal teat.  Out of previously conceived necessity I guess.  But when the time comes that ALL these states are considering something like this, that is something very BIG folks.  It's getting pretty damned serious.  This is the kind of stuff that should IMHO get everybody's attention. Perhaps that previously conceived necessity is evaporating due to current events?  God, that is scary.

I think we should ALL pay attention to this kinda stuff and not poo poo it for a second.  It has it's roots in something.  It could be the start of something very big.  Pray for this country.

[williamlayton]

I am in favor of one Nation, a Nation undevided. A Civil War (civil ) would put us down for the count.
NOW, having said that, If, a big IF, it is one Nation, Socialist dependent, where do I sign up.
Got too think thru this thing and have a plan. It will not work on Bubba's call saying, "Hold my beer and watch this."
Blessings

[Dee]

Troyboy, I agree with you in spirit. The states cannot imagine operating without federal support ($) and lack the will to even try. Some (Texas, South Carolina) may cling to a heritage of independence and so may take a hearty go at it, but they too are packed to the borders with people who could not survive without an entitlement. Its too deeply engrained in our American culture - present company excluded perhaps - that we rely on the Federal government.

I hear that even with a well placed shot at under 100 yds. with 500 gr. lead, a Cape Buffalo will die trying to kill the shooter, and succeeds from time to time. On pure adrenaline, he will stomp everything he sees. On the other hand you can walk up behind a Jersey cow, talking soothingly to her, put 40gr of 22 behind her ear and she drops like a seabag full of cinder blocks. The Constitution was written to protect a Cape Buffalo, not a Jersey cow.

Excellent analogy Mr. Nelson, however after watching this country degenerate morally, much like Rome over the last 59 years, I fear our replacements have taken on the mental traits of the Jersey rather than the Cape. Just keep the feed coming, and you can milk them for all their worth.
Most now a days don't even realize that the Constitution is what the government CAN'T DO, and the Bill of Rights is what they CAN DO ONLY AFTER DUE PROCESS OF LAW. They (the newer generations) are clueless to their rights, and too damn lazy to find out. When they are referred to as Generation X, perhaps someone actually meant "crossed out" instead. They (at least most) are self-centered and lazy, and decadentlly leaned toward for lack of a better description "moral decadence". Rome suffered much the same fate as I believe we quite possibly will, and for ALL THE SAME REASONS. JMO

[Graybeard]

While I wasn't watching TV at the time and haven't heard the specifics yet Faye told me that the Alabama Governor has told DC they can keep a few billions that was to come here that we'll not play their game. As I said I don't know the details but states are finally waking up and realizing that what's going on in DC is just plain wrong and that we cannot allow it to continue.

I too would like to see a UNITED United States but ONLY if under the US Constitution as written and not if it has to be as continually rewritten by the fools in DC. It really is past time in my opinion for the states to take back the sovernty the feds have been slowly taking away in violation of the US Consitution. We now have an illegal federal government that no longer represents the US citizens but some rogue super rich cabal who has paid to get them elected.

If that is what we have to look forward to then I say it's way past time to end this grand experiment and let each state go their separate way. Some will no doubt decide to reunite again hopefully again under the Constitution written by our founding fathers. The rest can go to hell as far as I'm concerned as that clearly is the path of their chosing.

[BBF]

GB
 Me thinks that Hawaii wasn't all that willing to join the US, I could be mistaken.... (again)

[gstewart44]

Hawaii was a sovereign nation up until 1893 when the US Marines were sent in to "protect" rich white American business interests in the nation of Hawaii.   

the Monarch at that time, Queen Lililuokalani, wanted to stregnthen the Hawaiian Constitution to give more voting rights to the native population, who happened to be excluded when the American Businesses paid a previous and weaker King to rewrite the Constitution to favor the Businesses. 

Bottom line is - US military comes ashore and allows the "Safety Committe" to overthrow the Queen and trash the Hawaiian Constitution.   The Safety Committee then declared Hawaii to be a Territory of the United States.   

Justices at the time warned the President that the overthrow was illegal, yet it was allowed to stand.   

[jumpsteady]

I would fall into what some people call "Generation X". Being only 24 years old, I think that is what "group" I would be put into. Here are my thoughts. If the federal government wants to keep sticking it to us, the people, when send then on there way. The federal income tax is bogus, Congress is a two ring circus, the presidency we currently have is a joke, and every single politician currently in office at the federal level is a crock, thief, and liar.

We need to throw the entire federal government in the trash can, and stat over. Go back to the way is was in 1776. Back when it was for the people, BY THE PEOPLE. the problem is that the feds have invaded our schools and are brain washing our kids. I know, I am only 6 years out of high school. But I was raised by 2 very smart parents how saw things from outside the box. My biggest concern is that there aren't enough people my age that see this for what it is, and won't stand up for what is right.

I live in Kansas. Our current elected body passed a cease and desist order to the feds telling them to back off. The problem is that I don't think that they have the back bone to stand up to the feds if the feds start to put there foot down. The only real way to get change is to elect new people. And by new people I mean younger people. People with new ideas, new thoughts, new dreams, and new visions. the problem is that if you are like me and only 24, you can't get elected. They say that you are to young, and don't have any experience. The problem with that is that by the time they say that you have experience, you have already bought into the socialist propaganda, and won't change anything anyways.

There should be term limits on every Federal term. One. One term. Go to Washington, put your foot down and fight for what you believe in. What is it going to hurt. You can't be re-elected anyways.

But the way I see it, we will never change Washington unless we tear it down to the core and start over. Thats it. Any other way you try to do it will not work because unless you clean the entire house, you will still have dirty elements running around.

Just my thoughts

       Jumpsteady

[rparsons934]

I am also part if that generation. I will tell you that in school they do attempt to brain wash you. schools teach memorization not how to think for yourself. this next generation (and some of mine and I'm 20) are no ball people who do what there told not what they think is right. the schools arnt the only people to blame. the media had a big part to do with it. most kids, teenagers, and young adults are more worried about looks theb what is going  on around them. I also agree that it would take a tear down. but u are correct when you say that it won't happen. but even if we did tear it down. how long would it be till they got power/money hungry and started only worrying about them selfs.

[Guy Pike]

It drags on and on.Sooner is better. Teatr it down and rebuild. I would like the pleasure of shooting just one Commie on my own lawn!

[WylieKy]

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. "

They pretty much said it all more than two centuries ago.

Taxation without representation anyone? ALL of the "bailout" packages will be paid for with tax money.  NONE of them had an approval rating of more than 40%, yet ALL of them received overwhelming suport by our elected leaders.....

[Graybeard]

The time has LONG SINCE COME for a new Declaration of Independence from those who are running our federal government. The problem is there are not enough folks with backbone left to do it and it and make it stick.

I don't think individuals can do it not even groups of individuals as has been shown already it will have to be at the state level and best if multiple states do it jointly. That is the ONLY way things can be turned around.

It's too late to do it in DC they are corrupt to the core and all are under control of the enemy already. They can't be just voted out because they have so many on the dole who will vote them back in so long as they promise to keep them on the dole that the votes of others will be overwhelmed. Besides all or most all polling now is done on computers and computers can be made to say whatever those in charge of them want them to say. If they vote were to happen to go wrong they can change it to what they want it to be prior to it being made public. In fact I'd bet if it could be proven it has already begun to happen.

[Redtail1949]

Yes sir these are scary times... the states rights stuff does not refeer to the same "STATES RIGHTS" issues that brought on the Civil War.

However it is very important that the present issues be defended..Keeping out federal mandates and so on.

yet there is a real posibility of very severe economic times ahead and that means danger will lurk everywhere for those that are unarmed or otherwise unable to protect their families and property. Civil unrest and outright violence will happen on a large scale the worst will be in the cities yet no one will be safe.