thanks for the help everyone sounds like the 25-06 could be a good shooter but it could shoot groups as big as my not so great 243 ,sure hope i get a barrell that is capable of sub 1'' groups and find a load it likes ,but who knows it might be sloppy ,sure didnt know it would be this hard to get a rifle that would shoot ,really dont want to have to go through 3-4 barrells to find one that will shoot. Sounds like some have tack drivers and some shoot ok ,sounds like theirs no garranteed consistency in the barrels