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Offline trotterlg

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Not an H&R but.........
« on: July 24, 2008, 04:45:47 PM »
I know it is not an H&R, but their solution to stuck ejectors is dead simple.  Tonight I picked up a Savage 24V, 30-30 over 20 gauge.  You don't run across them in 30-30 that much so I had to have it.  Interesting thing is their solution to ejecting / extracting cartridges.  On the side of the underlug they have a flat piece of metal that goes all the way from the ejector to the front pivot pin.  When the barrel is opened all the way down the front of the little plate hits a small pin on one side of the pivot pin which pushes the plate back and forces open the ejector (see bottom picture).  Looks like it could be adapted to a H&R, I will have to look closer when I have some time, but it is a nice easy solution to a problem.  Larry



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Re: Not an H&R but.........
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2008, 01:42:19 AM »
Yes the Savages's will extract on command for sure. Nice 24 you have there.
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Re: Not an H&R but.........
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 03:41:37 AM »
I'm afraid I have to disagree. The Savage M-219 singleshots do have a positive extractor/ejector system but the 24V is very flimsy and unreliable. That dog-legged stamped sheet metal linkage will flex and bend if you have a case at all sticky. I had one in .223/20 gauge and it would almost NEVER extract a fired case. I re-engineered it with an exposed extractor which was ugly but worked very well. If I ever were tempted to get another I would do the same modification on it. You may be OK with the 30/30, I hope so, but .222s and .223s really don't work well at all. You'll notice they leave the extractor standing out a bit from the side of the so-called "monoblock". That is so you can whack it with something to extract a stuck case. ;)
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Re: Not an H&R but.........
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2008, 04:15:42 AM »
I am afraid I have to disagree with you coyotejoe and agree with trotterlg, by the looks if it his 30-30 / 20 ga. is an older version than your .223. I have a Savage Moidel 24 in .357 Mag / 20 ga. and it has worked flawlessly since I bought it. You may be correct about the .223's not extracting properly every time, obviously yours does not. Perhaps it might be possible to use some of the Handi tricks (chamber polish?) to help your .223 Model 24 to extract more reliably?...Good luck....<><....:)
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Re: Not an H&R but.........
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2008, 06:04:50 PM »
I have a mid to late 60s 24 in 20ga/22lr and a fairly new one in 12ga/30-30 and neither has ever had a problem.
Both have been very reliable.
I hope they never do have a problem.


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Re: Not an H&R but.........
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2008, 07:38:12 PM »
Here in WA state Grouse season along with Bear and Cougar are open at the same times.  A 22CF is leagal for Cougar but not Bear, so I have been watching for a 30-30 over a shotgun barrel for a while.  I don't see many of the 30-30's for sale, so I grabbed this one up, probably paid more than I should have, but I am old and can't wait a long time for a bargin to show up.  I do have a thought on the ejector assist on a Handi, I think I may machine one up and post the results.  I am off to the range tomorrow to see if this thing shoots and ejects, I did a little trigger work on it, (at first I thought it had a safety on, it was so heavy a pull). Larry
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Re: Not an H&R but.........
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2008, 04:06:03 AM »
Quote from: MSP Ret on July 25, 2008, 04:15:42 AM
I am afraid I have ti disagree with you coyotejoe and agree with trotterlg, by the looks if it his 30-30 / 20 ga. is an older version than your .223. I have a Savage Moidel 24 in .357 Mag / 20 ga. and it has worked flawlessly since I bought it. You may be correct about the .223's not extracting properly every time, obviously yours does not. Perhaps it might be possible to use some of the Handi tricks (chamber polish?) to help your .223 Model 24 to extract more reliably?...Good luck....<><....:)

Actually, no, my 24V was the first model with a true monoblock, having both barrels fitted into holes in the monoblock. The gun pictured is a later model with the rifle barrel brazed into a groove in the top of the so-called monoblock. The newest version is a "five-o-block" with five pieces brazed together.  Anyhow- Those extractor work only so long as the fired case will almost fall out, therefore not at all surprising you have no problems with a .357, and you'll probably have no trouble with a 30/30, I doubt that any handirifle ejectors ever had a problem with those cartridges either. The .223 is the highest pressure cartridge for which those actions were ever chambered and needs a real extractor.
 If you will open the action and just push on the extractor with your thumb you will see the dogleg piece begin to flex, it is held in place only by the very flimsy little tab, and if .222 or .223 is loaded to normal pressure the flex will equal the total travel and will not move the extractor at all. The problem is that the pressure on the linkage is not aplied in a straight line. If you've ever tried to use an allen wrench as a substitute pin punch you'll know what I mean, pounding on one leg of the allen does not apply much force to the other leg becasue it tends to flop over. That extractor linkage is bent in a double dogleg, both horizontal and vertical and will flex in both directions. As i said, you'll have no problems with a .22 Hornet or .357 and "probably" none with a 30/30, but if one attempted to apply that system to a high pressure round like a .243, .25/06 or .270--- forget it!
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Re: Not an H&R but.........
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2008, 04:16:29 AM »
Quote from: LONGTOM on July 26, 2008, 06:04:50 PM
I have a mid to late 60s 24 in 20ga/22lr and a fairly new one in 12ga/30-30 and neither has ever had a problem.
Both have been very reliable.
I hope they never do have a problem.


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The rimfires are nothing at all like the 24V, you have separate extractors for the shotgun and rifle barrels with the rifle extractor powered only by a spring, which is adequate for a .22 rimfire, but they still leave a tab sticking out to the side so you and force it if needed.
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Re: Not an H&R but.........
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2008, 06:43:11 AM »


Here is one I have had for years. In the rifle I mostly shoot a 120gr cast bullet, or 150gr jacketed spitzers.....rifle seems great for Deer, Rabbits, an occasional Coyote, and even a couple of squirrels when I lived in "skwirl" country.

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Re: Not an H&R but.........
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2008, 09:47:59 AM »
RussB, not only do I recoginize it, I have one  on a '96 Sweed(6.5X55) that I built in the late '70s.It is still going strong . ;D    Doug
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Re: Not an H&R but.........
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2008, 02:11:30 PM »
I have one of the later synthetic stock ones.  It is one of my favorites to take elk/grouse hunting.  I put a 1x red dot on it.  The extractor is not too much problem  with a rimmed case.  Colorado disallows .22 anything for big game.  Wish something like it was made in .243 over.  I do see Winchesters listed with heavy calibers over 12.
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Re: Not an H&R but.........
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2008, 03:00:46 PM »
I took it to the range today, only put 7 rounds through it, 6 30-30 and 1 Shot shell to check the pattern, every thing ejected fine, I had to drift the rear sight over a little because it was shooting about three inches left at 50 yards, but I got it dead on and 2 inches high so I left it at that.  On the H&R ejector assist, I am machining a little square metal block that will fill the space on one side of the ejector spring in the H&R, at the hinge pin end I will machine it down until a piece of it will go under the roll pin that holds the rear of the spring, then put a small pin in the hinge pin to push on it when it goes full open.  I will post pictures when I get it built.  I had forgotten how much a 30-30 kicked compared to my 17's.  Larry
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Re: Not an H&R but.........
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2008, 07:00:03 PM »
I gave up on the forced ejector mod on the H&R.  Problem is that the amount of travel the barrel has after the ejector is tripped is not enough to give a push to the ejector, and there is no simple way to increase it.  I went a different route, I found a very stiff spring that is .150 in diameter (wish I knew where it came from), so two will fit side by side in the ejector slot.  This about doubles the spring pressure if you cut them carefully to proper length.  I have this mod done on my 17 FB now and will test it at the range.  I am going to hunt up a spring with a .100 external diameter, that will fit inside a stock H&R spring and do about the same thing.  Larry
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