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Re: At what point is technology too much?
« Reply #90 on: June 01, 2008, 01:50:45 AM »
DES,
I have to agree with you there.  I used to hunt in the Nemadji State Forest in MN.  I had a spot back in the woods that I felt was my little piece of hunting paradise.  It took about 45 minutes of hard walking to get to it, plenty of crap to get through near the end, but I never didn't get a deer or two there.  The drags were horrendous.  ATVs & snowmobiles were restricted to the forest roads, logging roads, and certain hours of the day.  You didn't see too many of them - it was tolerable. About 7 -  8 years ago they opened the place up to ATV trails.  I walked back to "paradise" one year and there was a trail literally next to the tree I had sat in for years.  I found another spot, and during the day, a kid looking like Evil Knieval on a dirt bike came flying through.  I didn't know that my "new" spot was near another trail.  Each year more 4 - wheelers, more bikes.  Less deer.
Since I am not a Minnesotan, I guess it really isn't my place to complain.  I was always grateful that a guy from Illinois could go to MN and rifle hunt in such a fine forest.
I haven't gone back for the past few years.  Sad.
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Re: At what point is technology too much?
« Reply #91 on: June 06, 2008, 07:42:43 AM »
It was pretty well acknowledged by staff writers, journalists and the like at the Shot Show a few years ago that the absolute best thing for the hunter ever to come down the pike was the ELECTRIC WINDOW!!!LOL!!
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Re: At what point is technology too much?
« Reply #92 on: June 06, 2008, 07:48:48 AM »
don't forget a sun roof
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Re: At what point is technology too much?
« Reply #93 on: June 09, 2008, 05:10:05 PM »
Wow it was definitely interesting to read through the replies of everyone else up until this point. Cement Man I think said it best a page or two ago, that the advancements in technology have definitely made the sport (or whatever you choose to call it) a lot safer and more enjoyable than back in the "good old days".

Now for me, technology goes too far when it violates any rule of 'fair chase' and of course, when it actually could become detrimental to the hunter. One of the best examples I could think of was Remington coming out with the electronic firing system on their eTronix rifles, and then CVA coming out with an electronic ignition on their muzzleloaders. Anyone else but me see an apparent danger in this? Suppose the circuits short? Suppose water does manage to get in there (since, I'm sorry, NOTHING is 100%) and cause something to spark and you happen to have that gun pointed in the wrong direction, or worse yet (in the case of the CVA) you're looking down the barrel as you're loading it? That to me seems rather...un-safe, and I for one will never own such a contraption.

I'm sure there have been many inventions that seemed great at the time but then proved to be detrimental to the hunter or outdoorsman. Just my two cents!
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Re: At what point is technology too much?
« Reply #94 on: June 10, 2008, 12:06:09 PM »
I am amazed that this thread has gone on so long. We are still using a little piece of lead ( not in CA  ;D ) being projected down a tube by an explosion. Yes the tubes may be better made, the optics are probably better but essentially little has changed. We do have the option of using a rangefinder and other little toys, but the essence of hunting is the same surely?

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Re: At what point is technology too much?
« Reply #95 on: June 11, 2008, 01:13:45 AM »
figured it out - when it exist but you can't afford it !
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Re: At what point is technology too much?
« Reply #96 on: July 01, 2008, 05:29:14 PM »
The truth as I see it is I am the hunter/weapon what I choose is a tool.
Whether its a longbow at 10yds or a supermag at a 1000yds. I have to make the stalk, the shot, the kill.
Bashing on one another is going to be the death of hunting, gun ownership and much more.
If you think technology has gone to far, don't use it! Your choice, stop at the recurve don't bash my crossbow.
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Re: At what point is technology too much?
« Reply #97 on: July 04, 2008, 06:57:51 AM »
I watched this process evolve working for an outfitter, used to be we used $100 binos and thought we were cutting edge. Then someone bought a cheap spotting scope. Then we all bought Leica/ Swaro binos, followed by Zeiss spotters, then rangefinders, now 2 guides have binos w/rangefinders built in. Don't think I'll be following that trend. Then someone brought a couple of radios and we all agreed they were too much, a sacriligious abomination on our mountain. So we still rely on mirrors and hand signals, always amazes me the vocabulary of hand signals we've come up with.

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Re: At what point is technology too much?
« Reply #98 on: July 04, 2008, 10:45:14 AM »
Could have something to do with the fact that they are ILLEGAL to use to locate game and communicate locatoins...maybe??
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Re: At what point is technology too much?
« Reply #99 on: July 04, 2008, 12:13:44 PM »
Nonya, whose gonna let a little thing like that stop them.  You ever notice how many folks start taking flying lessons when elk season opens up?  ;)

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Re: At what point is technology too much?
« Reply #100 on: July 05, 2008, 02:37:49 AM »
Yep,I know a few different small plane owners in eastern MT that get hired by elk and sheep guides to fly and spot for them.
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Re: At what point is technology too much?
« Reply #101 on: July 30, 2008, 10:00:03 AM »
At our hunt club we started off very primitive with tents and such.    Over the years we have made some improvements with a hand pumped well and a couple of covered pavilions for eating and cleaning our rifles. In 2004 we lost several of our older members to the great hunt in the sky(RIP).   

We recruited some newer, younger members, and the children of some of my friends were now grown and what a change in the camp.    This younger generation came in and hooked up electricity, lights, A/C, septic tanks for their camper trailers, and last year they hooked up a satellite dish for TV!

They are all good kids and ethical hunters but they sure are from the new generation.....they have to be "plugged in" all the time or they think they are missing out on something.   They work real hard to "improve" things.   

After turkey season this year two of them decided to build permanent treestands.   The first one was made out of 4x8 plywood 3/4" with hinged windows, awnings to keep out the rain while hunting.  This is called their Condo.     They then built three more using two 4x8 plywood for the base (8x8) with walls, windows, a bench, small cooler for food and drink, and a 2" pvc pipe urinal going into a small septic in the ground. They call these their "Dance Halls" cause they are so big.   

Personally I think they need to spend more time in the woods hunting than building apartments.   
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Re: At what point is technology too much?
« Reply #102 on: August 07, 2008, 06:36:48 AM »
OK, I am going to throw another wrinkle in here.  Last year my buddy and I went out during Moose season and saw many Bull Moose.  They either were not in areas where we could get to them, or we were just not in the mood to shoot it when it appeared.  One walked within 20 yards of us while eating breakfast, we just looked at each other and said, "NA, let him go".  So in November we needed meat for the freezer, we decided to go and shoot a Cow Moose in an area where the population is too high.  This time I left the Handi 30-06 at home.  I was using all my technilogical items.

338/378 Weatherby Accumark, with accubrake that tames this monster down to recoil comperable to a .308.  Night Force 3.5X15X50 scope that draws in so much light I can see things in the field long before I can see them with the naked eye, and a lighted reticle for the low light conditions.  Lupold lazer range finder, with elevation compensation.  My partner is shooting a .378 Weatherby, with a similar Lupold scope.

On the morning we wanted to shoot Moose we went outside the tent and climbed up a bank behind the tent.  From there we saw 18 Moose, feeding in the willows.  We knew there were many more hidden in the willows, or lying in the tall grass out of sight.  We selected two large ones, ranged them at 787, and 810 yards, compensated for elevation, they were lower than we were.  I set up on one, he set up on the other.  I dialed in the scope, took the shot, Moose took three steps and fell dead.  My partner then took his shot, Moose fell instantly.  The other 16 Moose continued to browse, undisturbed.  The muzzleblast was directed into the brush behind us and disapated quite a bit.  The other Moose did not run, or give any indication they had heard gunfire.  Or that they were aware of anything going on. 

Now we were not hunting, we were harvesting.  We had been hunting earlier in the season.  The advantage, we were not down in the willows where we would have been discovered trying to sneak up on them.  There was so many Moose in the willows it would have been almost impossible to get close without running into a cow with a calf, and having them sound the alarm.  We did not want to shoot a cow with a calf, we were after older barren cows.  Again we were not hunting, we were there to harvest meat.  And we did in a very efficient manner.  Some people will say we are going too far, that shooting at that range is unethical.  When I can sit there and hit a gallon milk jug every shot, I am confident that animal is going down.  Those big heavy bullets retain enough energy to do the job.  Technology, enables me to do this.  I for one don't feel it is going too far.

I've taken Caribou and Moose with Archery Equipment, Muzzle Loader, and Handgun.  That's a challenge, and a lot of fun.  That was what I call Hunting, there is a difference between hunting and harvesting.
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