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Offline Sourdough

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What borders to secure, and how
« on: August 13, 2008, 07:07:14 AM »
Alaska has more coast line than the rest of the states combined.  But our borders are not the ones being crossed by illegals trying to sneak into the US.  If I was a terrorist, and I wanted to disrupt the US, why go to Alaska?  We only have one large city Anchorage, then Fairbanks  which is a small city.  The rest is rural areas, with small towns and villages.  Oh they might bomb the Pipeline, but that would not be much of a disruption.  It would be back up and running in three to five days.  The pipeline is so over engineered due to earthquakes that it would take one heck of a big bomb to damage it.  It's been bombed once I know for sure, all it did was blow off some insulation material.  I'm thinking there was a second attempt that only damaged insulation also.  Then a drunk Indian shot it five times, point blank (five feet) with a .338 Win Mag. the fifth round finally penetrated the pipe.  So Alaska is pretty much out of the picture, they would not want to be here during the winter anyway.

So that brings us to the lower 48, how do we secure the borders down there.  Both the Canadian and Mexican borders are wide open. 

With Canada I think it could be easy to get with the Canadian officials and get them to adopt the same rules and regulations for entry into Canada as we have for the US.  The only way into Canada is by Air, Boat, or through the US.  So if Canada was to secure it's Airports and Harbors, there would be no reason to secure the Canadian border.

Mexico:  There lies our problem.  Mexico does not have a secure border with it's southern neighbors.  It also accepts people from any country as long as they are spending money.  Their airports and harbors are wide open, as well as their coast lines.  The only reason they stop someone entering the country illegally would be if heavy fines garnered them some extra money.  No one wants to disrupt the Mexican economy or way of life.  So how do we secure this border?  In big cities they have fences along the border, but Mexicans have no reason to sneak across the river, they just go to the border crossing and say they are going to Wal-Mart, and away they go.  Much of the border runs through remote isolated stretches of dessert.  This is where most illegal crossings occur.  They walk or drive across the dessert and make arraignments to be picked up on the highway by a vehicle to be transported to a big city where they can disappear into the crowd.  So securing this border is a problem, how do we solve it?

Let's look at somethings that work.  Look at the Mexican state of Sonora.  Arizona has started enforcing the laws about hiring illegals.  Once they can not get jobs, the men and women return home to Mexico.  The Sonoran governor is screaming we are ruining their economy by not letting their people work in Arizona.  The returning workers are a burden on their economy.  They have no jobs in Mexico and means of support.  Now if only all the states would do that.  This helps the Illegal immigration problem, but does nothing to secure our southern border.  What would work?
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Re: What borders to secure, and how
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2008, 10:16:08 AM »
I am not sure what will work with the Mexican border, a fence is doubtful unless it goes as far
underground  as above. their are places across New Mexico that is nothing but rock, canyons
and arroyos. The areas around towns and cities would need to be a wall (like the Berlin wall)
 it Would have to be patrolled very often and sporadically no consistant times. Maybe lasers would
work better.
The mayors of some of the Texas cites are very much against closing the border. :-\ :(
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Re: What borders to secure, and how
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2008, 12:49:04 PM »
We aren't discussing some guy sneaking up here to work.  We're talking about a man (or a few) coming here, well documented, with a sack full of anthrax to drop in the water system of a major city.  Or a small but very dirty bomb.  Why couldn't he gain entry thru Alaska?  Come ashore and pose as a hunter.  A sport from the lower 48.  Who said anything about him doing his damage in Alaska. He would gain his entry THRU  Alaska. How many dudes do you have roaming around the Anchorage airport at any one time with a couple of duffel bags and a rifle case heading for the lower 48?  How long would it take him to fly from ANC to any major city in the USA? 
A fence on either end of the US is too laughable to even consider.  And considering that not 1/10th of the coke coming into the US by plane and ship can be stopped, how do you propose to stop a few men coming ashore?  There are so many folks from the Carribean flooding into the NYC area with counterfit green cards, welfare cards, medicaid cards that it is a cottage industry on some of the islands.
If we cannot stop this flood that is already taking place, how are we going to "secure our borders" against one highly trained, well documented man?  Or men?  Do you folks that are hollering "secure our borders" expect someone with a towel wrapped around his head and a long bulky overcoat (in July) and a tattoo on his forehead that reads "Praise Allah"?  Just about 99.9% of the crap of walking around the airports barefooted and having some clown that can't speak English take your wife's cuticle scissors away from her is just feel good window dressing directed at folks that do think that's what a terrorist is supposed to look like.