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Offline coyotejoe

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a much better extractor design
« on: August 19, 2008, 01:32:32 PM »
I just acquired a new, old Savage M-219 singleshot in .22 Hornet. While I had it apart to clean out the dried oil I snapped a picture of the extractor/ejector parts. It is basically like the H&R but with a significant difference.
 The ejector latch has an arm sticking out to the left, toward the camera, which engages a shelf in the frame, just like H&R, but it is pivoted at its front end, unlike H&R. The ejector spring also powers the latch by pushing forward on the upright leg of the latch.
  As the gun is closed, the extractor is pushed forward, compressing the coil spring until at last the latch snaps into the forward notch of the extractor.
 As the gun is opened, the latch hits the frame shelf and disengages from the extractor, allowing the spring to drive it rearward to eject the case, just like H&R.  But here is that significant difference. If the case is stuck and the spring alone cannot move it, then as the gun opens farther that upright leg of the latch first adds more compression to the spring and finally the rod inside the spring will contact the front end of the extractor and force the primary extraction. The H&R ejector has no primary extraction, just a spring.
  The Savage's primary extraction alone will move the case only about 1/16" but that is enough to break it lose so that the spring can then drive the extractor to its limit and eject the case.
  I always replace the factory ejector spring with a much lighter spring as pictured. That makes the gun much easier to close and will still throw the case clear of the gun, just not clear of the county. ;D
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Re: a much better extractor design
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 02:47:09 PM »
What a concidence, I just came in from my shop after working on my 219 30-30. I wanted mine to extract only so I ground the hook off of the ejector latch.  Presto, extractor only! Mine was very hard to break open, now opens much eaiser.

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Re: a much better extractor design
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2008, 03:39:10 AM »
Interesting, I guess I don't see how the latch could effect opening since the latch doesn't come into play until the gun is very nearly full open. The reduced thickness of spring does greatly ease closing because that spring must be compressed to close. I have three of the 219s and none of them open or close as easily as a well broken in H&R.
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Re: a much better extractor design
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2008, 01:48:50 PM »
On mine, it doesn't open far enough to take out the spent shell until the extractor hook is released and it took quite a bit to release the hook. Maybe my spring is super strong, I don't know. I do know that grinding off the hook made the second stage of opening easier.
I have a new handi and it is much easier to completely open than the 219. The Handi really falls completely open due to not having to cock the hammer on opening like the 219.