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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2008, 02:39:16 PM »
Partition is gonna have to be going awfully slow not to expand.  They are made to lose most of the nose portion with the rear pushing on through.  I've never seen a Partition not expand.  DP
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2008, 05:20:53 PM »
Again I had no intent of bashing Ballistic Tips, I just wanted others to know of my experience so they don't try and use them on bigger game like I did.  I am so glad I did not sit on the gut pile of Norms Caribou two days earlier and wait for a grizzly with those Ballistic tips.

I have shot partitions from the day I started hunting big game in 1971.  Never had one not bring any thing down.  I also like the Accubonds, I have started using them in my big gun (338/378 Weatherby).  The only thing I dislike about the partitions is that the tip is so easily deformed.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2008, 07:40:56 PM »
Love those core lokts all you want.

I had one that failed on a standing cow elk at 200yds.   180gr, 300win. No matter what, at that long a range any bullet
of that size and weight should penetrate thru on a center rib shot like that was.

Blew a hole about 2" wide lengthwise of the animal thru three ribs but, didn't penetrate enough to even enter the near lung.

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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2008, 03:48:33 AM »
Dont waste your time with pics,I had some and all they did was explain to me how it was my fault the bullet failed and then proceed to call me a liar,these failures are common among those who do enough hunting with Noslers,most dont shoot enough game to ever have a problem with them and will stand behind them into the fires of hell,good place for em.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2008, 03:20:14 PM »
Yeah Richard.  Agree!  Amen, Pete
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2008, 05:03:08 PM »
I never said the bullet failed.  I just expected it to hold together a little better than it did.  The Ballistic tip is not suitable for Bigger Game.  By that I mean anything bigger than whitetail deer.  Whitetail are small thin skinned game.  Caribou, Elk, Moose, and Bears are definitely too heavily muscled for a Ballistic Tip bullet.  I wient to the ballistic tip due to what I read in the Nosler reloading manual, I was also looking for a bullet that the tips did not deform in plastic cases when hauled around for a couple of hunts.  I'm sticking with Noslers, just not the Ballistic tips, they are a bit too explosive for my taste.  I will use them on smaller stuff like wolves during the winter.  Or if I go hunting in Tennessee for whitetail.  For here in Alaska, you may take down a Caribou with a Ballistic Tip, but what are you going to do when you run into that resident Grizzly that wants to make you and your Caribou his next meal.  Already went back to the partitions.

Thanks for the report. I saw in a later post on this thread where you said you are not bashing the Bal. Tip & you did not. I appreciate your objective and factual info. As you stated, "I never said the bullet failed. I just expected it to hold together a little better than it did." Well, that's reasonable.
I think one of the manuals talked a little about the Bal. Tip being "toughened up" a little from the past & they were, but I agree with you that it is better suited for Whitetail, Mule Deer & down & for that they work great.  I have the new Nosler#6 & this is what they say about the bullet. "The
hunting Bal. Tip is an excellant choice for thin skinned game such as Antelope, Deer & Sheep." That they are.

To me, I would have never considered the Bal Tip if Grizzly Bear is part of the equation. I would have no qualms about double lunging a Car. or Elk with a Bal. Tip, but I would rather use a bullet that would work at any reasonable angle & I would trust an Accubond, Part or TSX for that. But with Griz involved, no way would I want to use a BT.

About the Accubonds, I notice that you mention friends using them for Brown Bear & you used them on a Moose. I also found out last winter on
Antelope, Deer & 1 Elk that they work & work VERY well.

You will like the way the BT works on Whitetails, no doubt. I used the 180BT (mostly the old soft one) on Deer with my 30-06AI at about 2,950fps.
I took 25-26 Deer with that load, some young Deer & some Big Bucks at virtually every angle to get to the vitals at close to fairly log range & none traveled over 30 yards. I talked to my cousin after an earlier thread on this matter & asked him how many Bucks did he and his boys take with his 308, loaded with Varget & 165BT. He said about 45 with no problems. My family has used the 115BT alot in the 25-06 for Antelope & Deer, agin, no problems.

Again, thanks for the story, I always enjoy your posts & I have not as yet hunted Caribou. If I do  will use the Accubond or the TTSX, whichever shoots the best with the Bal. I like.

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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2008, 12:18:49 PM »
Question, is there much difference between a Nosler BT and a Combined Technology Ballistic Silvertip (BS)?
A friend of mine used to use 139gr BS in .280 Rem for just about everything, but I'm not sure if he used that or something sturdier the one time he took a black bear.

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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2008, 12:35:37 PM »
Question, is there much difference between a Nosler BT and a Combined Technology Ballistic Silvertip (BS)?
A friend of mine used to use 139gr BS in .280 Rem for just about everything, but I'm not sure if he used that or something sturdier the one time he took a black bear.

The Com. Tech. Bal. Sil. uses a lubalux coating, which is not the same as a moly coaating, but is supposed to have a simular affect. If your bore is totally clean & I mean CLEAN after a few rounds they usually are very accurate once some of the coating is in the bore. I have not sectioned one, some people say the BST has a thicker jacket. The Nosler people have not said this when asked, but they make the bullet for Win
& don't say much about it. To be safe, I would consider it the same thickness as a BT & use it for Deer & down & not in a RUM type case, just like you should a BT.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2008, 03:31:21 PM »
Question, is there much difference between a Nosler BT and a Combined Technology Ballistic Silvertip (BS)?
A friend of mine used to use 139gr BS in .280 Rem for just about everything, but I'm not sure if he used that or something sturdier the one time he took a black bear.

They look sweet in those nickle plated cases!

I haven't compared them to a regular BT but the 55g shoots more accurate than you could dream of out of my $200 Handi.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2008, 02:30:21 AM »
From their web site..http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=3&bullet=10


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CT Ballistic Silvertip™

CT Ballistic Silvertip™ bullets are aerodynamically efficient due to their impact extruded, boat-tail design that is made expressly to maximize long-range bullet stability and accuracy. In varmint weights they are constructed for instantaneous, violent expansion. In hunting weights, jackets have been thickened and cores hardened to blend generous expansion with judicious penetration ideal for light and medium gameat extended ranges[/u].

It's pretty clear to me that they have bracketed this bullets ideal parameters.

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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2008, 06:52:29 AM »
Been a while boys  ;)

  Sour i envy you , been trying to get to alaska for years now .... great story man :)

  As for all this ballistic tip  this and that ...Alot of good ideas and experience are being laid out here in this thread ...  And i wont recap on the pros and cons of the nosler BT ,I will say that the combined tech. BST has done right by me and mine ( sister in law filleted a elks heart with it in her 270 WSM) and i have alot of great success with that caliber and offering too.... mind you not on thicker skinned game.

  now i kinda ran into a hunt that could have gone the route of Sour's son caribou hunt , i took winnie supreme BST in 180gn on my buffalo (american bison) hunt but had also taken the Hornady custom 150gn interbond load as well and found myself second guessing the win supremes the night before the hunt and went with the hornadys due to the 90% retained weight that hornady gave in thier info on that ballistic tip ...Fear of the same thing happening to me that happened to sky danced through my head so i side lined the winnies in favor of the hornadys .. Cant say if the advanced tech offering would have done just fine or blown up on contact with heavy buffalo bones .... i went with the horns and got clean pass throughs with little larger then a quarter size exit holes ...

  this was a 308 i used out of my DPMS LR-308, the 180gn winnies would have been out of my Remmie ott 6 ... So just some good experience with the horns interbond ballistic tip for you Sour if you dont have some on the shelf already ... quick expansion with alot of retained weight , sounds like thats what you were looking for from the word go ;)
  but of course you can never go wrong with a good partition either

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