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Offline JJ Kelly

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9.3x62mm shooters
« on: August 31, 2008, 05:32:09 AM »
Hello,
CZ 550fs rifle 20" barrel
Speer 270gr. bullet with 66.0grs. of Blc-2 getting avg. 2486fps.
OAL is 3.280.  Privi 286gr. bullet with 62.5 of Blc-2 getting avg.
2345fps. with OAL of 3.285. In the CZ rifle there is more room
to seat the bullet further out, how far can I go. What is your OAL?
Also does it effect velocity much and would you then use
more powder?

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Re: 9.3x62mm shooters
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2008, 12:22:43 PM »
it sounds like you have a chrono right?  As far as OAL goes, do you still want to feed from the magazine? that should limit quite a bit right there. If not, experiment with seating depth and try to chamber it to see how far you can go and stay off the lands. 
Though taken from established manufacturers' sources and presumed to be safe please do not use any load that I have posted. Please reference Hogdon, Lyman, Speer and others as a source of data for your own use.

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Re: 9.3x62mm shooters
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2008, 04:11:17 AM »
I have found setting out to the Max. cartridge OAL. in the books seems to be just perfect for my Barnes loads and my Partition loads.  It still works well with the Magazine and feeds great.  I just tried it and man she is accurate.  250 TSX 3/4" @ 100 yds off the bench.  my second most accurate firearm.  The T3 Tikka in a 6.5x55 always takes the accurate honors.   Buckfever

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Re: 9.3x62mm shooters
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2008, 06:33:23 AM »
I don't have a CZ or a 9.3 but as a rule I consider functional reliability to be Job #1 for my hunting rifles and ammo.

I seat my Speer 250 gr. Spitzers out a ways in my Rem. 700 Classic 35 Whelen.  I do not try to get them too close to the lands because I want every shell to cycle from the magazine and chamber flawlessly every time.

The same goes with my 6.5X55 140 gr. Hornady SP Interlocks in a Rem. 700 Classic.  I will give up a little bit of accuracy in exchange for 100% reliability when it comes to hunting ammo.  Field accuracy of 1 1/2 - 2" will kill any antelope, deer, or elk I choose to shoot at as long as the rounds feed smoothly and chamber easily out of the magazine.
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Re: 9.3x62mm shooters
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2008, 07:53:28 AM »
Wyostillhunter +1

Couldn't have put it better. Reliability over accuracy every time. They got to feed.

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Re: 9.3x62mm shooters
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2008, 08:13:28 AM »
On a hunting rifle, feeding, ejection, overall reliability is everything.  I'll give a little on accuracy in favor of reliability.
I have a CZ 98 mauser, not the 550, I'm thinking about selling.  I have three 9.3 mausers, I need to sell one. 
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Re: 9.3x62mm shooters
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2008, 04:58:29 AM »
I agree that the load should be reliable but there is a lot of room in that
CZ 550fs.  With the speer 270gr., I have gone as far as 3.330, I an article
written by Gil Sengel of handloader magazine he went OAL of 3.370 with
286gr. bullet.  Real guns quotes a max. OAL of 3.291 with 286gr. nosler
partition.  I guess we should also disregard the cannelure because I think
most bullets are set up for the 9.3x74r.  I like the speer 270gr. bullet for
most shooting but will use the Hornday 286gr.or Nosler par.286gr. for
bigger stuff. Thanks

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Re: 9.3x62mm shooters
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2008, 12:46:56 PM »
My VZ-24 with a Lothar Walther 23.6" barrel is throated for 286 gr bullets plus a bit.  The mauser mag likes the COAL at 3.26" with ANY bullet I happen to pick...so it doesn't matter what length the cartridge happens to be when the bullet touches the lands, if it is too long for the mag, the COAL is moot.

For the most part you need to think outside the box and forget conventional thinking because conventional thinking doesn't always work.  Most reloading manuals go with SAMMI specs as far as COAL is concerned...your length may vary.

My usual method is seat touching the lands...ANY caliber...to start with and hope the COAL fits the mag...if it fits the mag at that length I shorten in 0.005" increments to find out where the best accuracy happens to be with THAT BULLET, THAT POWDER AND THAT PRIMER...you can't mix and twitch and expect the accuracy, pressure or velocity to be the same.  You can go the other way around also...start short and increase the same amount.

My object is to develope an accurate load...velocity is secondary...I've found that the best accuracy comes where it happens...just like gold...you find it where it is and you have to look for it.  I have guns that shoot best at loads well over published data and guns that won't make published data without blowing primers, sticking bolts, or locking up break actions.

What my rifle happens to like doesn't mean your rifle will like the same thing...nothing is free and everyone has different tastes...I barf at the smell of liver and onions and have to leave camp when the days kills liver everyone so ardently loves start cooking...so pick a bullet you want to use, two or three powders with the correct burning rate for your bullet and caliber...most larger calibers shoot the best accuracy touching the lands or into the lands...a proven primer...then go to work developing a load.

The 9.3x62 is a hunting weapon and also used on DGR game so functionality, dependability and safety are uppermost in my mind when developing a load.  I work towards making the ammo do the job and NOT screw up so I keep the pressures dependent on the temperature I expect to hunt in, the COAL short enough so nothing will jam in the mag or lockup the action and check each round through the mag and chamber BEFORE starting on the hunt.

There are just a whole bunch of factors involved so you have to decide where your priorities lie then load to that end, not withstanding your level of expertise in reloading.

I shoot 270 Speers, 286 Noslers and 286 Horn PP for the most part and my shooter likes RL15 and Varget up near the top of most loading manuals limit and velocities run equal to the printed ones...I won't post any of my load information for all the obvious reasons.

Handloader mag #199 had a very good article by Finn Aagaard and my rifle matches his results so I'm very happy.  It is a hard choice when deciding to pick which of my larger bores to use as they all do what they are supposed to do...sometimes it just close my eyes and grab one and "get'r'done hoss".

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Re: 9.3x62mm shooters
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2008, 06:38:10 AM »
In my CZ 550 American, I seat the 250-grain Barnes Triple-Shock to the base of the third band from the nose, and they feed great. I like Re15 in this one. Don't have my chrono notes handy, nor my calipers to give you on OAL, but these handloads did the business on kudu, gemsbok, mountain zebra and a snaggle-toothed old baboon in Namibia in May of 2007. My PH was shooting the same gun and bullet, and was surprised at how far out I seated the TSX, but he loved the way my loads shot in his CZ.

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Re: 9.3x62mm shooters
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 07:16:26 AM »
When you say third band, do you crimp into the grove of the tsx.
Also most of the 9.3x62mm shooters like the 250gr. tsx instead
of the 286gr.; I asume it's because of speed. I am going to seat
my bullets closer to the lands/groves, other than the accuracy,
I think taking up extra space in the magazine makes it feed more
reliable.