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« on: July 31, 2003, 07:00:06 AM »
Are there any precautions one needs to take loading a T/C barrel using published loads that are printed for revolvers?

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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2003, 10:02:00 AM »
If a revolver can handle a particular load a Contender can also..within its capabilities of course!
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2003, 10:26:11 AM »
Anyone shooting a .41 GNR out of a Contender? What are your velocities with a 210 grn jacketed bullet?

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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2003, 10:31:44 AM »
If I where you I'd call Reeder
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2003, 11:04:13 AM »
TommyT - I'm not shooting a GNR, but took your advice and made a phone call. Thank you very,very much!! I learned more from that 15 minute call than you can imagine!

just as a side note: I won't be loading to the max load listed for a revolver in my Contenders anymore!

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2003, 11:46:01 AM »
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just as a side note: I won't be loading to the max load listed for a revolver in my Contenders anymore!


Why? Did Gary tell you something?
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2003, 04:11:33 PM »
Yes Gary gave me a lesson on how pressure is built and released in a revolver vs. a closed breech gun such as a Contender.

I now know I was in a potentially critical situation using published loads for a 6" S&W Model57 in a 14" Contender. (Thank God for using a chronograph during load development) This information was reinforced by another custom barrel/gun maker, only I went at it from a different angle;just to see if it was the way I asked my questions.

Bottom line is , you can use data for a shorter barrel, different type gun; just don't plan on going to whatever the max charge is listed - it flat out won't be pretty.

Another thing that was interesting is both my sources of information told me what would happen to my cases (before I actually told them what had happened) in a max CUP pressure situation, and both were dead nuts on to exactly what I experienced.

I feel very fortunate as to how this turned out: I learned a little more about reloading, how the components work, and how little pressure actually shows itself. For example, I had no flattened primers, no sticky case removal, and actually no noticable change in gun response (harder recoil). I have seen it posted before that if you see signs of pressure you're already over the threshold, well now I've experienced it - and am finding it very sobering.

Thanks for listening.

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2003, 04:25:19 PM »
thanks buddy, i'll try to remember that if i ever get a 44mag contender barrel. i'm surprised to say the least. :D

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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2003, 04:49:34 PM »
Kyode - PM

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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2003, 02:32:20 AM »
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Anyone shooting a .41 GNR out of a Contender? What are your velocities with a 210 grn jacketed bullet?


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TommyT - I'm not shooting a GNR, but took your advice and made a phone call. Thank you very,very much!! I learned more from that 15 minute call than you can imagine!

just as a side note: I won't be loading to the max load listed for a revolver in my Contenders anymore!


Your welcome but what are you shooting ???
I guess I just don't  understand
what is this .41 GNR if its not a Reeder

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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2003, 02:56:26 AM »
TommyT - Sorry, I figured everyone has been following my trials and tribulations with my .41 mag for a while. I'm shooting a 14" .41 Remington Magnum barrel on a T/C Contender frame. It's been dubbed Project 41, since I'll take one barrel and run it through it's paces over the course of a one year time frame. I asked about the .41 GNR to compare what a "hot rodded" .41 barrel is achieving vs. my factory, standard chamber. Turns out the GNR is flavored more for a 170 grn. bullet to the 2100 fps mark.

What I just went through may have been my own mistake, but I believe from reading the responces on this forum and the others that are running this same topic - I'm not alone. I'm trying to document my experiences for two reasons: 1) answer the questions others may have but won't ask, and 2) hopefully help the next guys that run into the same situation.

Again, Thanks for your help!

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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2003, 03:28:23 AM »
Thanks for the education and update on your project
I'm known to ask a dumb question but always willing to listen and learn
Good luck and Safe experiences

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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2003, 01:32:45 PM »
What problems were you having?  What were the crony readings?  Inquiring Minds Want To Know.

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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2003, 05:50:33 PM »
Pushing a 210 grain bullet to 1865 and 1857 fps - only had the guts to shoot two of the rounds loaded to 22.7 grains H110. This is max published data in Hornady's fifth edition. The velocity was my first problem, losing 24 cases out of 50 after 5 reloads due to potential case seperations was tied in with problem #1. I had one case actually come apart, and the remaining 23 have the "halo ring" around them (headspace seperations show this ring). I thought a partial resizing of the cases was my problem with case life being so short, turns out that probably wasn't helping things on top of the hot loads.

Another forum that is also running this topic, brought to my attention the data entries for the 44 mag, 357 Remington Maximum, and 45 Long colt all have seperate entries for the T/C Contender. What I found interesting is that there are no consistances: the 44 mag can be loaded hotter in a 14" Contender than a 7 1/2" Blackhawk. The .357 Maximum can be loaded hotter in a 10" Contender than a 10 1/2" Blackhawk; except using Lil'Gun with a 180 grain bullet. And The 45 Long Colt entries use a 7 1/2" Bisley Blackhawk and a 10" Contender - but one uses slow burning powder and the other all fast burning powder. I give? All I can say for sure right now is 22.7 grains of H110 behind a 210 Grn Hornady HP/XTP is over the max load for a 14" Contender barrel chambered for .41 Remington Magnum.

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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2003, 07:32:48 AM »
Yikes, that is a hot load!  My version of the "Complete Reloading Manual for the TC" indicates a max of 20.4 grains H110 for the 41 with a 210 grain bullet (Sierra's data in a 14" TC barrel).
Dan