subsonic hp expansion ...

[lucky guy]

Anybody tested or seen info on subsonic hp expansion out of pistol barrels, 4" or 6"?  I wrote to aguila asking about theirs but haven't gotten any response.

Thanks.

[**oneshot**]

I did some "backyard" testing with some Remington subsonics.   I shot into several mediums: coffee can full of sand- shot through the plastic lid.  :  coffee can full of water shot through the plastic lid  :  Jello gelatin mixed with 1/2 the water  :  and then repeated the first 2 tests with a latex glove covering instead of the plastic lid.

The hollow points opened without fail.  In the sand tests the bullet opened and peeled back to the base of the bullet.  In the water and gelatin tests the bullet opened and produced excellent exit holes- recovered bullets showed good expansion.

Ultimate test was when I did some varmit control around my house and at a friends house.  The subsonics proved very deadly with massive exit damage to even the smallest thinnest skinned varmits.  On the bigger/tougher varmits it proved deadly but failed to exit.  Internal damage was like a high velocity round but without the exit.
Most of our shots were between 25 and 50yds, a few at closer range, and one shot at 65yds.

Shoot me a pm if you have any questions.

 

[lucky guy]

Thanks, pm sent

[Mikey]

Lucky Guy - I use Remington subsonics from both rifle and pistol.  Both Rugers - one a 10/22 the other a MkII with a 6.5" bull barrel.  At distances of 135m from the rifle they will penetrate herron, crow, rabbit, etc.  Sometimes I get a t&t on a broadside shot at coyote.  I will see expansion if the bullet hits bone but otherwise it may just drive on through.

With the pistol - mine and a 5" barreled Ruger, there is not much expansion.  My buddy and I shoot at clay pigeons on snowbanks during the winter and in the spring I will usually be able to recover the spent slugs - very little expansion at 25m.  JMTCW.  Mikey.

[docmagnum357]

The first thing i want to say is that  what i am about to tell you may be dangerous.  I never had any problems with thousands of rounds, but you need to use your head, and be sure you don't do something that will get you hurt.

I used to shoot rabbits, cottontails in our family orchard every day.  They atr the bark off young replanted apple trees, and they were shot on sight o prevent the loss of time/ profit that raising a tree for as long as two years and then losing it.  they are also quite toothsome.  Many times, hyper velocity 22 lr ammo was not accurate enough to get a thorax hit on a rabbit at 75 yards plus.  I switched to sub sonic match, and no more problems with accuracy.  problems were hitting rabbits and not recovering them.  Then I switched over to standard velocity hollowpoints.  One time out of three, the dead rabbit would have a hole the size of a quarter through them, one time they woud have a hole like a solid point, and one time they would show evidence of being hit hard, and get away.  I noticed that the hollow point was actually crimped over on all brands.  I suppose this was as a result of some type of handleing/seating during manufacturing, maybe even on purpose. to aid feeding.  I took a ball point, bic disposable pen, and pushed it as far into the hollow point as it would go.  The pen would stop on a little shoulder on the pen, and the cavity would be unifoorm, and look much more semetrical.  It also made a gaping hole, if there is such a thing in 22 caliber.  Over half my rabbit kills were "bang flops after this invention.

I can not tell you if this "reforming " of the hollowpoint cavity, really just the openining of the cavity is safe or not.  You are on your own.  It worked for me, and I never got into any trouble that way.  FWIW, the reformed bullets didn't feed in any atoloader, so i assume the factory profile is to faciliate feeding.  Again, I just don't know, but I liked the results.  Holes the size of quarters, over 60% of the time. 

[nockhunter]

 I really liked the Winchester PowerPoints, they were 40g hollow points, at standard velocity. The hollow point was very big compared to others. The extra weight helped also. I had a whole bunch stashed away, so I don't know if they are still being produced. They were made in Australia. I shot a bunch of woodchucks(ground hawgs), some exited some didn't, the ones that did left a pretty large hole. The ones that didn't really left an impression on the chuck.

Good Luck
Mike

[Totenkopf]

 The rem subsonics use the softest lead. If you want expansion this is the one to try. I use a paco kelly style hp tool to make the hole bigger.

Win subs expand slightly less than rems. Wolf match is almost identical to win; soft-medium alloy.

Pmc moderators expand very little in pistol and rifle; moderately hard alloy.

Aguilla sniper subsonics do not expand at all in most cases; hard alloy and low velocity.

 Why subsonic, less noise?
Most 22 lr are subsonic in 4-6". Not that much difference in sound, since there still is no sonic crack. I just shoot subsonics because I buy them for the rifles in bulk.