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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2008, 02:59:44 PM »
yes it was CLINTON a DEMOCRAT who brought you this mess not bushes administration ,bubba is stupid but clinton was a crook. I can forgive stupid. The bail out will lead to huge problems because the populace is against it and the elected people are bought by the power brokers to ignor the people, there will be a huge rebellion of the voters if this passes, but the damage will be done and our country as we know it will be lost.
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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2008, 03:04:05 PM »
yes  the  voters  will  rebel........the  problem  is  they  are mostly stupid  and  think  it  was all BUSH fault..how many  morons have  you heard  MCCAIN is  busshes 3rd term   ..or  4 more years  of  BUSH
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DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2008, 03:44:33 PM »
greed

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2008, 04:13:43 PM »
yes  the  voters  will  rebel........the  problem  is  they  are mostly stupid  and  think  it  was all BUSH fault..how many  morons have  you heard  MCCAIN is  busshes 3rd term   ..or  4 more years  of  BUSH

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2008, 05:14:11 PM »
I guess that mcCain should set the record straight say with a t.v. spot if he is intrested.
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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2008, 06:19:22 PM »
 no doubt the bailout has to happen or we all going dn for the count..
  why did it happen ,, unchecked greed and profit taking..
 by big money an not so big money..the haves done shot they self in the foot.. bullet glanced back up an hit the po working  man in the head..gotta save one to save the other..

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2008, 07:11:32 PM »
no doubt the bailout has to happen or we all going dn for the count..
  why did it happen ,, unchecked greed and profit taking..
 by big money an not so big money..the haves done shot they self in the foot.. bullet glanced back up an hit the po working  man in the head..gotta save one to save the other..
BS... I would rather struggle through a year or two of hard times than a decade of equal or worse plus more taxes.

If this bail out has to happen why cant the big corps that caused it and or profitted from it pay for it with any profit they make over the next 7 years instead of the tax payer?

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2008, 01:25:17 AM »
the bailout will fix nothing, only delay it at best.  you just wait, soon we will hear of another big fiasco concerning big buisness, then what?  i am with matt here.  when you are in a hole, stop digging!

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2008, 03:24:14 AM »
+1 to Matt...
I'm voting 3rd party in this election by writing in Jesus Christ for president.  Sadly even if this were an option most of you would still vote Republican because "It's a two party system."

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2008, 04:18:03 AM »
Democrat social engineering trumping common sense. Mccain made a real effort to fix it but was voted down buy his Dem buddies.

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2008, 04:48:56 AM »
http://www.truegotham.com/archives/fun-the-subprime-primer-cartoon.html

Just click on the cartoon - this kinda explains it

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2008, 06:17:35 AM »
President Bush didn't make the rules that govern Fanny Mae, or Freddy Mac and  has very little if any authority to oversee their operation.  There were continuous efforts by the Bush administration to rein in some of the practices of the two pseudo financial entities, but the Dumbycrats would have none of it.

Sad to say that the only way that any liberal government programs ever gets modified, or reorganized is by crisis.  This financial flare-up is going to look like small potatoes compared to what the Social Security and Medi-Care messes are going to be.  Remember what happened when GWB tried to get Congress on board to try to fix Social Security?
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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2008, 06:31:31 AM »
it is a fact that attempts to real in Fannie and Freddie were blocked by Congress...Frank was a big player here...but...that's only a part of the problem. 

It is true that both Bush and McCain brought up the problems...like at least 12 times...and I know in 2003 and in 2006, Frank was defending the houseing debacle....

But..to me it's all their faults....the fact that people like Frank won't own up to his big role in this is pretty typical...some of his partners were at least big enough to admit it...but not Frank...he's still pointing fingers at one party...
And obama can play it smart and keep out of it...nobody is interested in his role at ACORN...at least the media isn't. 

It's all politics as usual....and even in times where we need Congress to write a decent bill...they still load it up with crap...hope the house votes it down again.

They should just cut capitial gains taxes for a couple of years...and do a buy out...and be willing to let some things fall and fail...start over....

Once again...the answer is much mroe simple than politicians would let you know...and gosh...lets not cut taxes.....I notice now they call tax cut PORK....or at least that's the latest message I'm getting from Dems. To top that off...they vote backwards....the Senate goes in forst...adds a few hundred pages of crap....and the house votes next??  LOL!  They try to get in the front door...then the back door...then the side door...anything to get billions of dollars for bailout passed. 

It's a shame....

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2008, 06:38:08 AM »
I'm going to defend Bush here.  He WARNED there might be a problem with these shakey mortgages 12... I repeat 12 times, starting in 2003.  In 2005 McCain and two other senators introduced a bill that would have reigned in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  Fox news has the Dems in charge of the Banking and Finance committees quoting that Fannie and Freddie were ok and didn't need regulation.  Barney Frank as late as this last July 8th.  O'Riley got him last night.  Fannie and Freddie gave $450,000,000 dollars to Dems campaign money and $150,000,000 to a few liberal Reps.  So, none of these guys would do anything.  Now the Dems are blaming the Republicans loud and clear, when they were the ones at fault 75% of the time.  Clinton twisted the strings on the regulations he could control with the banks in 1997-98 to give loans to low income people so they could own homes.  How, by having ARM's where they pay only interest for 5 or so years then begin the real mortgage with the principal thrown in.  This caused balloon payments they weren't able to afford.  These loans were also given to young people who would probably sell the homes as they appreciated before the 5 or so years who would use the equity to buy another home and repeat the process.  I know someone who did this 7 times in 14 years.  Now, the people who are causing the fall of the financial system are the ones who insured these mortgages, and they don't have the money to pay them off when they default, they go down and take the banks and loan institutions with them.  There is 58 Trillion dollars worth of mortgages out there.  5 million homes have been forclosed so far.  These people should never be able to buy a house again.  The poor are poor for a reason.  There is no excuse, it is their own fault.  It is also the fault of the banks and institutions who made the loans, the Clinton administration who started this fiasco.  The Bush administration who didn't be more forceful to stop it, and us who keep voting the same people in over and over.  There needs to be term limits for senators and congressmen, just like presidents.  

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2008, 03:33:41 PM »
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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2008, 05:01:15 PM »
How did we get into this mess you ask? We continually settled for less, and voted for the lessor of two evils, just like most of you are doing now. The bar lower each election with this type of voting. It takes courage to step outside the two parties and vote for honesty instead of the lessor of.
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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2008, 05:04:34 PM »
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It takes courage to step outside the two parties and vote for honesty instead of the lessor of.

Not courage, just ignorance.

A vote for a third party is a vote for Obama.  It was also a vote for Clinton.
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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2008, 12:57:35 AM »
I agree with MS and Swamp.
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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2008, 02:55:32 AM »
i   do  not  think  i am  in  a  mess......you  and  the  television  are  going  to  talk me  into  not  feeling  great    about  my  lot  in  life every  morning  i  get to  start a new  day.....all  you  have  to  fear  is  fear  itself......if  the  DEMOCRATS /SOCIALIST   or  the  UN  take  over  because every one  is  looking  for "a way  out  of  the  mess"      never  under  estimate  the power  of  idiots  in  large   numbers.....PELOSI  will  be  unstopable  if  OBAMA  gets  in    THEN  ASK:  HOW DID WE  GET INTO THIS  MESS?    i  fear  OBAMA  will  win   my  only  hope  is  DEMOCRATS  will  not  make  it  to  the poles  on  the  4Th....the  welfare checks  come  out  on  the  first    and  you  can  never  hire any one  from  the RENT-A-DOPER labor pools  that  first week  of  the  month........but  to  answer  the  question in  a  single  word....
DEMOCRATS
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2008, 04:04:52 AM »
Come on Folks...think about it.  It is all part of the New World Order.  The sequence was this:

1. Nixon goes to China
2. China get all the money and promises from the USA in return for support
3. China starts building a manufacturing country with US money and technology
4. Wal Mart starts becoming a USA giant with low priced Chinese goods
5. Nixon destroys the unions
6. The wages start to plummet
7. The American public cannot afford to buy anywhere but Wal Mart but do not rebel because it was so well planned that they did not suffer too much.
8. The big boys start a massive take over of the US Government and get us in a position that we have no choice.

There is only one way to reverse this situation....BUY AMERICAN AND PUT THEM ALL OUT OF BUSINESS.
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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2008, 04:10:52 AM »
sorry  i  was  not  clear before breakfast   my  point  was  they  can't  be  found  after  the  first  so  maybe  they  will  be  a  no show  on  the 4Th,election day.....both  major partied  have  faults  but  only  one  of  them continually puts  out  anti-gun candidates........SO  WHY  WOULD  YOU  EVER  SUPPORT ANY DEMOCRAT?
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2008, 12:26:46 PM »
McCain has been anti-gun 73% of the time for 26 years.  ;)
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2008, 04:05:30 PM »
ok  but  how  about OBAMA????
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2008, 05:13:32 PM »
ok  but  how  about OBAMA????

Ah... let's see. Obama has voted anti gun 100% of the time if I'm not mistaken.  Which makes McCain at least a 27%  better choice in this regard.  ;D
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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2008, 05:24:00 PM »
 There's PLENTY of blame to go round.

The Libs on the equal housing lending BS

The retard Bush appointees for running the fed into the ground with insanely low interest rates for years. How you check inflation my making money cheap has yet to be explained.

And most of all the American public for living their lives almost entirely on credit for the past decade. Every  John Doe in the country that makes 40K a year has a $150,000 mortgage, a few thousand in CC bills and $40,000 worth of car notes. You don't need a MBA to figure out that dog won't hunt for long.

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2008, 03:37:26 AM »
WHY DID JOHN  DOE  OVER EXTEND  HIMSELF??      BECAUSE HE  COULD      freedom  isn't free  get  over  it  and  don't  ask  me  to  help him.. or  protect  him  from  himself.....I  am  not a Democrat
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2008, 05:01:16 AM »
TMZ    what does  all  that   BS  have  to  do  with  OBAMA  AND  BIDDEN  and    MANY  OTHER DEMOCRATS  wanting  to  disarm  us  and  rid  our  culture  of guns??    if  you  are  disarmed,nothing  else matters
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: How did we get into this mess?
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2008, 06:18:21 AM »
TMZ    what does  all  that   BS  have  to  do  with  OBAMA  AND  BIDDEN  and    MANY  OTHER DEMOCRATS  wanting  to  disarm  us  and  rid  our  culture  of guns??    if  you  are  disarmed,nothing  else matters
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Huh...? ::)  Wasn't this thread about how we got into the economic mess-bailout scenario?  And What BS?
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« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2008, 06:57:28 AM »
OK   how did  we get  into  this  mess?........i  don't feel like  i am  in  a  mess   but   here  is  your  answer...  if  you  feel  that  way  it  is because of  government dependency created by  the  democrats...and  you  are  suffering  from depression  since  you went  to  government run schools  if  your  don't  succede  in  America  you  just  didnt want  to......ask  yourself  if  the  economy  collapses  and  you  are  unarmed how  helpless  you  will  be     what  if  the   riches 5%  move   away to  flee  Obama tax  plan  then  where  are  we.....they CAN  afford  to  move  better  than  we  can  move
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

many statements made here are fiction and are for entertainment purposes only and are in no way to be construed as a description of actual events.
no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.