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Is "Floating" The Barrel & Bedding, The Same?
« on: October 07, 2008, 12:40:15 AM »
I've heard of pillar or glass bedding and heard of floating the barrel.  What are the differences here?

One guy told me, of which I'm not sure if I remember correctly, that to float the barrel you have to remove excess wood around the stock near the barrel so you can slide a dollar bill down without it touching.  I've also heard some people say a dollar isn't thick enough and 2 one-dollar bills should be used instead.

How do I float the barrel of my Remington 700 .270 with synthetic stock?  I tried sliding a thin piece of regular paper and noticed I don't have sufficient room to do it.  Also, I have yet to fire this gun as I just bought it, so I'm a newbie with this model and caliber... as well as synthetic stocks.

I'm starting to think floating and bedding are different.  In fact, now thinking about it, it is.  LOL!  I think it's a job for a gunsmith to do, right?

I'd appreciate your feedback and replies please.

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Re: Is "Floating" The Barrel & Bedding, The Same?
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2008, 02:03:52 AM »
Yes bedding and floating are diffrent, You bed the action and float the barrel. there are several ways to bed a action but it basically is a way to securely mount the action in the stock so it dosn't move at all. Floating the barrel is to make sure the barrel dosn't touch the stock from the action forward, this keeps the barrel from being pushed out of place when the barrel heats up.

.270 tend to be good shooters it maybe worth while to do this to your Rem. Tight groups can be addictive thou.
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Re: Is "Floating" The Barrel & Bedding, The Same?
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2008, 10:59:19 AM »
Remington 700 rifles are designed so that a pressure point at the end of the stock touches the barrel. I think they call it pressure floating.  The pressure point is intended stabilize barrel vibration in a consistent way. Consistency leads to accuracy.  Intentional pressure floating of the barrel is a big reason Remington hunting rifles have a reputation for accuracy.  I would recommend you not float the barrel unless you have a real problem with accuracy.  Floating works best when you are dealing with heavy barreled target or varmint rifles. Sporter barrels, not so much.

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Re: Is "Floating" The Barrel & Bedding, The Same?
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2008, 11:11:21 AM »
Generally when you "glass bed an action" you use epoxy. The kits that Brownell's sales(for around $25) works great, and easy to do right as long as you read instructions. Some people even bed the barrel, I don't, I "float" the barrel. You can pillar bed the action too, it accomplishes the same. If I were you I'd shoot the gun first, if it shoots under 1.5" at 100yds with factory ammo, don't bother bedding it, just adjust the trigger to your liking and be done. Sometimes a barrel will shoot worse if "floated". Some barrels may like a little pressure,you never know till you shoot it. If your gun doesn't shoot like it should, bed it yourself. If I can do it, about any one can !!!   Dave

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Re: Is "Floating" The Barrel & Bedding, The Same?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 04:03:36 PM »
Ok, thanks for the replies.

As it may seem I'm getting the cart in front of the horse, the notion to shoot the gun first to see what it will do, is a good one.  LOL!  I'll get acquainted with the gun when the scope gets here and I'll see what it will do, then I'll get back here with my questions, etc.

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Re: Is "Floating" The Barrel & Bedding, The Same?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2008, 05:06:04 PM »
I've heard of pillar or glass bedding and heard of floating the barrel.  What are the differences here?

The purpose of bedding is to eliminate any relative motion between the action and the stock.  As a general rule, this helps improve accuracy.

The purpose of floating is to eliminate changes in Point of Impact due to the barrel being pushed off center as the barrel heats or as the stock changes shape, however slightly, due to changes in ambient temperature or humidity.  While floating the barrel generally helps maintain a more consistent POI, it sometimes does so at the expense of accuracy.

My first centerfire was a Ruger M77 in 7mm Rem Mag in 1982.  When I tried to sight it in, even though I didn’t let the barrel get hot, the POI kept shifting up and to the left.  The barrel was pressure bedded with a bump in the wood under the barrel at the tip of the forearm.  Floating the barrel permanently eliminated that problem.  Accuracy may have decreased, although it hasn’t hurt anything from a hunting standpoint and the rifle still shoots under MOA.

Since then I have floated all my barrels but have never bothered to bed an action.


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One guy told me, of which I'm not sure if I remember correctly, that to float the barrel you have to remove excess wood around the stock near the barrel so you can slide a dollar bill down without it touching.  I've also heard some people say a dollar isn't thick enough and 2 one-dollar bills should be used instead.

If I can get a single dollar bill to go, I’m good.  If you find over time that you can no longer do so you need to remove more of the stock.

 
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How do I float the barrel of my Remington 700 .270 with synthetic stock?  I tried sliding a thin piece of regular paper and noticed I don't have sufficient room to do it.  Also, I have yet to fire this gun as I just bought it, so I'm a newbie with this model and caliber... as well as synthetic stocks.

You will need tools to remove the action form the stock, sandpaper, a round cylindrical object of an appropriate size, and some polyurethane to seal the freshly exposed wood.  I have everything already lying around so I figure a few drops of poly and a sheet of sandpaper. 

For the cylindrical object I use Hi-Liters, permanent or dry erase markers, whatever is handy.
1.   Determine where the barrel touches the stock.  Usually this will be a bump at the tip of the forearm.
2.   Remove the stock.
3.   Make a “U” shape with the sandpaper and place the marker in the bottom.  Sand the barrel channel with this tool.
4.   Replace the stock in the action and see if a dollar bill will slide all the way to the action.  If not, repeat steps 1-3 until successful.
5.   Remove the action form the stock and seal the wood with polyurethane.  Allow to dry.
6.   Replace the stock and verify you can still slide the dollar bill under the barrel to the stock.  If so, DONE!

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I'm starting to think floating and bedding are different.  In fact, now thinking about it, it is.  LOL!  I think it's a job for a gunsmith to do, right?

I'd appreciate your feedback and replies please.

Snareman

Bedding is something I’ve never had done but they do make good kits for it.  If you’re not handy with your hands you might want to let a pro do it.

Floating the barrel is very easy, no reason not to do it yourself.
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Re: Is "Floating" The Barrel & Bedding, The Same?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2008, 07:25:46 AM »
Coyote Hunter!

Thanks for the additional reply!  That's some good info there and you can bet I'll be relying on that info to get myself where I need to be.  By the looks of it, I'll be able to adjust my own trigger and float the barrel myself.

Take care,

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Re: Is "Floating" The Barrel & Bedding, The Same?
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2008, 09:48:12 AM »
Pillar bedding is not near as good as glass bedding. It is a short cut, but it will usually help if the action is moving in the stock. Also, if your gun does not shoot well you may be better served to sand out alittle at a time just reduceding the pressure. I just got done working on a .7 mm Rem. mag. that was shooting around 3 in groups. I got real lucky because I just rounded the edges along the barrel channel to where it could not be told and took acouple .001 off the frount presure and when I tried it the groups went down to abt. .600. You never know when you start on a gun what all will be nessary to get it to shoot, and some never will.

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Re: Is "Floating" The Barrel & Bedding, The Same?
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2008, 05:27:00 PM »
Pillar bedding is not near as good as glass bedding. It is a short cut, but it will usually help if the action is moving in the stock. ...

From what I understand the purpose of pillar bedding is to maintain the same relative position of the action to the stock, not quite the same thing as the purpose of bedding the action.  Pillar bedding uses non-compressible pillars to eliminate crushing the stock when assembling the action to the stock.
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Re: Is "Floating" The Barrel & Bedding, The Same?
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2008, 06:47:52 AM »
The purpose of bedding is to eliminate any relative motion between the action and the barrel.

I'm a little slow understanding this.   I just can't picture relative motion between the action and the barrel.  :-[   Would you mind explaining what you mean?  ???
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Re: Is "Floating" The Barrel & Bedding, The Same?
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2008, 11:25:31 AM »
The purpose of bedding is to eliminate any relative motion between the action and the barrel.

I'm a little slow understanding this.   I just can't picture relative motion between the action and the barrel.  :-[   Would you mind explaining what you mean?  ???

My bad - fingers typing faster than the brain can think.  Should have been "action and the stock".

I corrected the error in my original post.  Thanks!
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Re: Is "Floating" The Barrel & Bedding, The Same?
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2008, 01:56:57 PM »
Pillar bedding is really simple to understand. You just basically take a small piece of pipe in the hole where the screws go through from the floor plate to the action and then run your screws through the pipe and draw the floor plate and action tight to the pipes. It needs to be done correctly, but you get the idea. The biggest problem is that if your action was loose in the stock it will not seem tighter, but all of the recoil will be on the screws, where bedding in the action will put most of the recoil on the recoil lug, but will not alow the action to slide back and forth even if the action is not bloted in. I DO NOT mean you can shot it that way.