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Offline RicMic

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What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« on: September 23, 2008, 12:09:48 PM »
I checked the mounting screws, the ring screws, it locks up tight, used 3 different scopes including a new out of the box Leupold.  The gun shoots great with the 223 barrel on (better than 1/2" at 100 yards), but the 25-06 is all over the place as is the 30-06 barrel.  And I mean 8-10".  How could it be grouping like that?  Any help out there?
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2008, 12:15:42 PM »
You said it locks up tight, but that could still be an issue.  Is it a wood forearm or synthetic?  Maybe it's not mating correctly with the barrel, putting pressure on it somehow.  How many different loads have you tried in the 25-06 and 30-06 barrels?  You could just have a couple of bum barrels too.  Do you have any buddies that have a different frame to put those barrels on, and see if they shoot the same?  Last resort would be to send them back to T/C with a letter describing the issue and let them see of there's anything wrong with them.
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2008, 01:15:49 PM »
Walnut forearm and stock.  I shot it with the forearm off, same result.  Friday I will try my friend's forearm and frame.
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2008, 03:36:48 AM »
Is it possible you have a flinch on larger calibers?? You may let your buddy try it on your frame. I am recoil sensitive (a wuss  :D) so I experience this on occasion.
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2008, 04:07:08 AM »
No flinching problems with 300 WinMag and down, anything bigger starts to add up.  This is why it makes me nuts, I see the sight picture right as the gun goes off and yet the bullet strikes all over the target, my bolt guns don't do that.
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2008, 04:36:03 AM »
I just got a 25-06 with a cheap scope on it. I feel like my eye is so close I am gonna get popped every time I shoot it. Have been lucky so far but will take leupold off my 270 after I get a handload worked up for it. Then I can start on a load for the 25-06. Wonder if you can get quick release rings to go from remington 700 to an encord with same scope.
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2008, 09:37:18 AM »
You say suddenly.   Does that mean both barrels have shot fine before on that frame with the same ammo?   If not I'd look at the barrels themselves for problems (chamber, bore, crown, etc) first, lockup/headspacing and then your ammo.

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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2008, 02:17:18 PM »
Well, I shot he Encore again today with mixed results.  The .223 barrel shot great, 10 shoots into 7/8" outside to outside, but the 25-06 barrel shot groups 2-4" wide by 7-12" tall.  Two different handloads plus one factory load.  I used the scope that was on the .223, a Mueller APV 4.5-14x42, then a Nikon Monarch 3-9x40, and a Leupold VX-1 2-7x33.  I used a friends brand new Encore frame.  His is set-up in a FlexTech stock, mine is walnut.  Still no luck.  I began wondering if the extra strong springs for the locking lugs would help, or should I just send it back to Thompson.
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2008, 03:02:59 PM »
Have you tried giving it a good cleaning? I had a 6.8 Contender barrel that would shoot great for about 20 rounds then start going every where.Found if I kept it clean it would do the job.
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2008, 05:52:16 PM »
Is the butt stock loose on the frame?
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2008, 05:43:50 AM »
Started with a clean barrel yesterday before the shoot, and the buttstock is on straight and tight.  Like I said before the 223 barrel shot great, I changed the barrels right out there at the range.  I don't understand how two barrels could behave so differently.  On two different frames!
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2008, 07:35:47 AM »
Ship the suckers off to T/C with a detailed letter explaining how they're shooting and that you've tried it on two different frames, with two different shooters, and the results were the same.  There's got to be something wrong with the barrels themselves.
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2008, 08:32:56 AM »
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2008, 09:14:55 AM »
WOW, yeah, I can't believe that we didn't even mention that.  GOOD call Tim!!!  If the crown doesn't look concentric, you could have a smith re-crown it, or you can order a little kit from Brownells and do it yourself.  If you buy-sell-trade a lot of guns, the kit will pay for itself very quickly.
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2008, 08:08:38 AM »
Did you check the nut behind the trigger?

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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2008, 04:28:02 AM »
Yep, nut behind the trigger is loose, however, Encore is gone.  Just me, G2, and 5 great shooting barrels.
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2008, 04:32:55 AM »
Check the locking bolts , the wedge pices on the bbls ,
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2008, 06:51:43 PM »
there has been an issue with base screws being to long .try each screw one at a time in the hole you are going to use it and see if it holds the base tight or lets it still move. if it moves the screw is to long. been there done it.
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Re: What would make an Encore suddenly shoot all crazy.
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2008, 05:31:10 PM »
Are you a reloader ??
did you mix something up  ???
Correct Cal. in each Barrel ?
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