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Offline Wolfhound

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« on: August 06, 2003, 08:57:29 AM »
Well as I already have a Knight Disc Extreme in .50 and a Wolverine 209 in .50 (wife's actually but close enough :wink: ), I would probably go with a Disc Elite (heard good things about em) or a T/C Omega or Encore or a Savage ML II with the new trigger. Of course it would depend on how much I had to spend, but a Stainless Omega with black or a Stainless Elite with a black stock would be my first 2 choices. A .50 cal Savage ML II (new trigger version) in stainless would be next if smokeless was legal for use here. I've had .50's from CVA and Traditions, but never cared for the fit, finish, or quality of either. My most recent purchase was a .54 Lyman Great Plains Rifle though. Not an inline, but a fine gun anyway.

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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2003, 10:37:38 AM »
No queston about it - I'd buy a 54 cal percussion Lyman GPR.  Why you ask?  Because they shoot big round balls, have a true to the old timey rifle look and are not all slicked up.  I want a slightly grungy looking round baller.
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2003, 11:17:00 AM »
I'd either go whole-hog modern and get a Savage smokeless rifle or I'd get a T/C Hawken with firesights.
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2003, 12:10:18 PM »
I enjoy the Tradional aspect of BP. For me that brought the "sport" back into hunting,and allows me to participate in the many gatherings of like minded folk's. I don't disregard nor hold distane for the newer styled rifles,it's up to the individual,yet it's 2 different schools,so,that said,,,,

Off the shelf?  The Austin Hallec Mtn Rifle sidelock capper. Why?
 Mechanics- it has a nice deep groove slow twist barrel that I know would drive a PRB or small maxi/minnie out to the limit of range with grand accuracy(2" at 100 or a bit better)
  More important the fit and feel, it doesn't have the real sharp curved butt plate of many of the replicant's( the GPR doesn't fit me!) When I shoulder this gun and swing it,it almost feel's like it has a gyroscope built in,great balance,eye relief/sight window is perfect,for me.
   Then I'd go into the kit's from Track of the Wolf. Either the penn or tenn long rifle in capper ,with a swamped barrel,rusted iron,no brass. Find your favorite rifle,measure length of pull and drop at comb,height of cheek,,,then pick a stock and build it. :D

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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2003, 12:33:33 PM »
I have not found any I like as much as my Lyman Deerstalker. It has a 24" barrel, rifled 1 in 48" and weighs 7 lbs. If I could change one thing it would be to have the barrel with a 1 in 66" twist. I too like the Lyman GPR, but I used a freinds one season and the 9 lbs was too much for me.
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2003, 01:13:31 PM »
1) (1-28" twist) Thompson Center Encore
All purpose... blackpowder rifle - centerfire rifle - shotgun

2) (1-48" twist) Uberti Santa Fe Hawkens

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92&products_id=3545

3) (1-66" twist) Austin & Halleck Mountain rifle (fancy)

http://www.austinhalleck.com/AH-Mountain.html
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2003, 03:25:30 PM »
Quote from: cknight98
If you were going to go out and get a new muzzleloading rifle in .50cal tomorrow, what would you bring home and why?  


Austin & Halleck 420 blued / maple: best looking in-line made, curly maple stock, 3-way ignition, legal in all 50, 1" or better accuracy out of box

Knight Disc Elite SS / camo: Best trigger I've ever had, tapered barrel, sub- 1/2" groups-- most accurate ML gun I've ever tested

Thompson Encore SS / walnut: short, compact, easiest to maintain, the only real choice in a break action ML -- 1" groups out of the box

White 98 .504: the best choice in a heavy conical shooting gun, with fingers-only action removal, and the best safety + the best #11 cap action

Okay, its four.

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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2003, 01:41:29 PM »
I agree with Randy on the Austin & Halleck and the Encore, although my Encore would be Blue and synthetic stocked.  My third choice would be a Knight, probably an Extreme.  The A & H is just a good-looking rifle.  The Encore is a most versatile tool, and Knight started the inline rage, and still is one of the best shooters out of the box.  All have establsihed themselves as accurate shooters.  All are fairly straightforward to clean, as opposed to the Remington, which has nooks and crannies everywhere for BP residue to hide out in.
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2003, 02:45:52 PM »
Encore SS/laminated stock 50 cal. the one and only choice for me

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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2003, 04:30:58 PM »
209 gun - NO DOUBT, the 209x50 Encore - easy to use, no special device needed to prime, easy to clean, capable of great accuracy.

#11 inline - NO DOUBT - the White 98 - amazingly accurate conical shooter, ultra easy loading, simple and elegant design.

I have no real 3rd choice but would like to see one of the new Denali breakopen rifles just for curiosity's sake.
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2003, 04:29:23 AM »
I'd take a flintlock with 44" swamped L.C.ice barrel,1-66" twist,Jim Chambers English Roundfaced lock,a single trigger set up to letoff at 2.5 pounds(not a click to set trigger mind you),curly sugar maple stock with raised carving,iron mounted with a 4 piece patchbox,a bag mould in .490" so as I do not need one of those newfangled ball starters and a greased cow' knee cover for the lock.PRIMITIVE all the way in muzzleloading,but not a reenactor!Jeff Stamper,Virginia!!! :D
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2003, 05:20:06 AM »
This has been a good thread.  I have just moved back east and am looking to an inline.  I was aboust settled on the Encore but the recommendations on the Austen Halleck have me very curious.  While I love the simplicity and vrsitility of the encore the beauti of the A&H appeals to me.  What king of accuracy at 100yards with a good scope and load can I expect with the gun and has anyone experinced any pecular problems with one.  Who also has the best prices on the gun?

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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2003, 02:00:34 PM »
Tracker...
A & H best prices

https://www.dnrsports.net/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=DSC&Category_Code=muzzleloadersaus

A & H 420 review by Randy Wakeman

Immediately when you look at an A & H, you notice that it looks like a "real rifle," as far from a plastic toy as can be imagined. At first blush, the curly maple stock tells you that this is not the common specimen of "highly polished plastic made by old world craftsmen."

The supplied Austin & Halleck 420 comes complete with TWO stocks; the fancy curly maple stock with the barreled action installed, and an auxiliary synthetic stock for those who wish to keep their fleur-de-lis checkering pristine while hunting the bush. In my case, the fancy maple looks far too good too be removed.

After a recent bout with muzzleloader triggers that have been just plain lousy, the Austin & Halleck trigger was a delight. There is a little initial take-up, no grit, and an excellent, repeatable, 3 lb. 14 oz. break.

The rest is in the shooting. Like the trigger, love the wood, some 209 blowback is there but LESS than I have seen on ANY open action 209 fired muzzleloader.

Either by luck or by design, the Warne front base partially extends over the breech area, and the 209 primer areas. While still an open action, the significantly less-than-normal 209 blowback is deflected further by the steel Warne base. We mounted a Redfield 2 x 7 scope; and purposely sighted in the rifle with no scope protector. There was some residue on the bottom of the scope, but surprisingly little more than the so-called "sealed" Knight full plastic jacket Disc Extreme. The rifle is extremely comfortable to shoot, even with relatively heavy 405 gr. Powerbelts. Apparently, the rigidity offered by the half-octagonal section actually works. We were shooting about an inch groups with T7 pellets + 295 gr. and 405 gr. Powerbelts. Day in, day out-- 5 shooting sessions, 1" 100 yard groups every time. How delightfully boring!

The nickel finish Provo, Utah gun has an action even smoother / easier to cock than the blued 420, and an even better trigger, which breaks at 3 lbs. 10 oz. The A&H standard ramrod is not quite as good as the XS Sights Power Rod, which is a factory A & H option, but better than the Knight and Thompson rods.

Usable barrel length is wildly exaggerated by many muzzleloading manufacturers. For example, the Thompson Encore 26" barrel is actually 25" muzzle to breech. The CVA Optima Pro 29" barrel is only 27.5" muzzle to breech. Both these guns have false muzzles, subtracting the 1" QLA section from the Thompson gives you a 24" usable barrel. The A & H 420 nickel's 26" barrel is actually LONGER than claimed, at about 26.5" from muzzle to breech. Most many not realize it, but an A & H 26" barrel is LONGER than a Thompson Omega's 28" barrel. Go figure!

There were design changes I was ignorant of. I initially felt that the "Provo, Utah" made (current manufacture) gun was a bit better balanced, but wrote it off to wood density, etc. More to it than that-- the Provo gun's barrel is ΒΌ" SHORTER than the Missouri assembled gun. The checkering is sharper, and the recoil pad is better fitted as well. Add to this the smoother action and lighter trigger of the current "Provo" model, the Provo gun is clearly the better gun.

It has been a LONG time since I have been as impressed with a muzzleloader like I am with the Austin & Halleck 420. With its superb trigger, rigid barrel to stock assembly, amazingly good repeatable accuracy, very soft shooting, and knock-out gorgeous curly maple wood with very crisp beautiful checkering, the A & H 420 is a gun to take pride in. It has a quick-release bolt that works like a dream, and the hammer actually self-extracts your 209 primers! Very handy. If you have no need for 209s, the A & H shoots #11 caps or musket caps with the change of a nipple.

It shoots as good as it looks, and that speaks loads. I think it is one wonderful muzzleloader-- and, the word is quickly spreading. The Austin & Hallecks just keep getting better.



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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2003, 03:20:14 PM »
Flintman, I'll add one thing to your list - get the coning tool from the Firelock Shop and get rid of the short starter.  My .54 GPR flintlock has been modified (by me) in that I cut the point off the toe of the stock so it doesn't gouge my shoulder, I added captive type barrel wedges from Track of the Wolf, and coned the muzzle.  It is a real joy to shoot, I can take it down in the field and not worry about losing the wedges, and loads like a dream.

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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2003, 03:40:33 AM »
keesvw2002, who to contact and how much for that coning tool?  Want to rent yours out?  :)

Wouldn't happen to have a pic of it, would ya?  Thanks.
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2003, 03:37:57 AM »
That would be:

Joe Wood   806-352-3032
The Firelock Shop
5311 Briar Street
Amarillo, Texas 79109

E-mail: flintsteel@cox.net

Tool costs $38 per caliber, postpaid.  You need a tap handle (for threading screw holes) to turn the tool.  Joe is a fine Christian gentleman and will treat you right.

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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2003, 06:01:54 PM »
:D   Seeing that I have more muzzleloaders,than probably just about anytihing else I would have to say a Lyman in either .50 or .54 cal.  I have both in flint and in caplock.  I also have the Traditions in many calibers that they have,but prefer thier flint or caplock in .50.  All will do the job,plus..they actually look like a muzzleloader.have fun and pick what works for you.....stay safe.....king 8)
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